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Q&A from the previous post

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The previous post on indexing generated a lot of comments and questions. I will list some of these questions and answer them from my perspective

Q1 – If you can beat the market, why do indexing?

This is one of the most common questions. The issue is not as black and white as it seems. Let me try to break my response into several points

Did you beat the market or were you lucky?

How do you know beforehand, that you ‘will beat’ the market? Let’s say you beat the market for 3 yrs. how do you know its luck or skill? Most of us think its skill!!

The only way to know that, is to keep doing it for 6-7 yrs and see how it plays out. One can be convinced then and put more eggs in the active investing basket, but till that happens what should one do?

Now if you follow this thought process, what is the best next best opportunity – i would say investing in mutual or index funds.

I have invested a part of my capital in the past in stocks directly as i did not want to risk the whole money. If you think that is being too chicken, I thought so too. I started by investing 100% directly, saw my portfolio go down by 20% and learnt my lesson. So unless one is sure that one has the skill to beat the market and has the data to back it up, one should be careful about going 100% in stocks.

Amount of time available
Do you have the time to learn and track all your stocks on a regular basis? It is amazing that so many investors, if you can call them that, think that beating the market is child’s play. One has to spend 1-2 hrs per week, watch CNBC and pick a stock tip here and there and that’s it.
Is there is any activity in life which will reward you with good monetary returns easy ? If it was so easy, why are there so few full time investors ?

So if you are working full time and do not have the time and interest in analyzing and researching stocks, the next best option is to invest via mutual funds and index funds

Q2 – Mutual funds are horrible, they charge 1-2% expense ratios. Even index funds are bad as they have high tracking errors

I have never understood this argument. I agree mutual funds in India are sneaky, bad and indulge in bad practices. So what is the alternative? Fixed deposits?.

The only way to participate in the equity markets is to buy stocks directly or via mutual funds. I would say 95% of investors should not invest directly. That may sound harsh, but it better than losing money and your shirt. The second best option is either mutual funds or index funds. There is no other option to invest in the equity market.

Real estate is a different story. But if you have Rs 20000 to invest, is real estate an option?

Please don’t even get me started on gold, oil etc. All this enthusiasm is due to the recent run up in gold price. Can you build a retirement plan around gold and other kinds of commodity investing?

Q3 – can you give some example of mutual funds ?

I have discussed some funds here. Some funds I like are HDFC equity fund, Reliance growth fund and Franklin Templeton blue chip fund. I have invested mine and my family’s money in it.

Are these the best funds out there? I think not. They are good enough and work for me.

For index fund, Nifty BEES (exchange traded funds) offer the lowest cost and tracking error. However they trade like stocks and so one cannot setup an SIP. As indexing is still not used widely, most index funds have high costs and hence a tracking error of 1% or more (tracking error is the difference between the index and the fund’s returns).

So if you want to do an SIP, pick either a decent mutual fund or one of the index funds with the lowest tracking error and set it up. It is better than having these intellectual arguments about the 1% difference and not do anything about it.

Sometimes it is better to go for a 90% solution than trying to achieve perfection.

Additional thoughts
I have seen a lot of different approaches to indexing. Buy when the PE falls below 12 or rises above 20 or when dividend yield is below this or that – wait I have
written that myself 🙂

If you are generally interested about investing and like to play around or spend time on it like me, try all the gymnastics. However at the end, if you analyze the results you will realize that all you got out of it was a minor 1-2% annual advantage.

I think it is much smarter to pick a decent index fund or mutual fund, set an SIP and get on with it. Check the performance after every 1-2 yrs and you will find that you are doing fine.

Of course no one is likely to accept this suggestion as it does not feel smart. Where is the fun in it ?

A simple idea

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Let’s start with a premise. Let’s say you believe as I do, that India and its economy is likely to do well for the next 10-15 years. I think it would be safe to assume that the Indian economy would grow between 5-6% for the next 10-12 years.

If you agree with the above point, the nominal growth (real growth – 6% + inflation) is likely to be in the region of 10-12%. If the nominal growth of the economy is 10-12%, then the top companies in India are likely to grow at the same or slightly higher amount over the same period of the time.

The top companies in India are represented by the Nifty 50 or BSE sensex and hence we can expect that the index would grow by 10-12% over the next 10-15 years. It is quite possible that the returns will fluctuate wildly from year to year, but over the long term the returns are likely to average more than 13%. The actual returns for the last 15 years have been around 13-14% when the growth rate of the economy was much lesser.

If you agree with my logic above, then this is my idea –
If one invests in the index via a systematic investment plan (SIP) in a low cost ETF or mutual fund on a monthly or quarterly basis, the overall returns should be fairly good with moderate or low risk over the next 10-15 years.

So where’s the catch
There a two issues. The first issue is discipline. A lot of people equate excitement with high returns and end up with low returns and lots of disappointment. As a result, due to ignorance or mistaken beliefs, they will not follow a simple and sensible plan which could provide good returns at low risk.

The second issue is the validity of the hypothesis that India will do well and not go down the drain. For starters, if it does then all of us will have more to worry than the stock market alone. I sincerely hope that it does not happen, otherwise all bets are off

So are you doing this ?
If I could go back in time and meet the Rohit of 1990’s, I would kick his ass and ask him to start an SIP program in the index or a decent mutual fund instead of chasing some IT stocks. Well, I can’t do that :). So I have done the next best thing – I have an SIP plan for the last couple of years and have kept at it irrespective of the market levels, near term outlook and any other forecasts and prophecies.

I have discussed this approach with several of my friends and have yet to meet anyone who has taken up my suggestion. I think there is a perverse thinking that decent returns require some complex insight and a simple ideas such as this is too good to be true.

Blog re-design – almost !

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First of all, my apologies to those of you subscribed to the blog feed, for the Test post. I realized that after I had put the test post and taken it off.

I have been wanting to re-design this blog for sometime and ofcourse do it on the cheap or even for free. I had asked for some help and quite a few of the readers offered to help, however for some reason or other the re-design did not work out.

Recently blogger introduced some new enhancement and so I decided to go for some changes. I have a preference for the minimalist design approach, which involves stripping down a website to its most fundamental features. I personally hate cluttered websites.

I spent hours tweaking and changing and revising and you see the final version which ….is the same as the old one :). I am just joking. I have kept the original design intact and tried to simplify it and will continue doing it further. I know most of you visit my blog for its great design 🙂

So please leave feedback in the comments section on what further changes you would like.

Analysis – Facor alloys

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About
Facor alloys is in the business of chrome alloys, which is used in the production of steel. The company has a capacity of 70,000 MT (industry capacity – 7 lac MT) and is located in Andhra Pradesh. The company emerged from a demerger of the FACOR group in 2004

Financials
The company was created by the demerger of the FACOR group into three companies, one of which was Facor alloys. The company had accumulated losses and underwent a restructuring exercise during the initial years. The current promoters for the company injected funds into the company and the debt was also restructured in the initial years
The company has since then turned around its performance. The debt has been wiped off and the preference capital has also been paid off. In addition the company, now has cash balance in excess of 30 crs which is around 25% of its market cap. The company has more than doubled its topline in the last 6 years and net profits have gone up considerably too. In addition the asset turns have reduced and Working capital turns have remained steady. All in all the asset efficiency has improved in the last 6 years.

Positives
There are several positives for the company. The company has a strong balance sheet. In addition the steel market which is the consumer industry for the company’s product is growing in excess of 7-8% and hence the company should see adequate demand for its product.
Chrome ore and power are the key raw material for the company. The company has ample cash on the books which it is planning to utilize to invest in a group company to access captive power. In addition the company is also in the process of acquiring chrome mines to gain access to reasonable priced ore. These two developments should provide some hedge to fluctuations in the price of the end product.
The management has also been sensible in allocating capital and has turned around the financials of the company. The company also has accumulated losses which should help in reducing the tax outflow and improve the cash flow for the company.

Risks
The company faces a lot of risk. The industry in which the company operates is a price competitive commodity industry. This industry has low to non-existent pricing power and minor competitive advantage from scale of operations. Due to the nature of the industry, most companies in this industry are unlikely to make high returns over a business cycle.
The company is a much smaller player with exports to various markets across the world. However the Chinese market has considerable impact on the steel demand and hence any slowdown in china could hurt the company, both directly and in-directly.
The company was re-structured in the past and has worked to turn the business around. Although small, there is always a chance that the performance could turn south again

Competitive analysis
The industry is a competitive, commodity type cyclical industry. There are a lot of small companies in this industry in india. Finally the Indian companies are at a cost disadvantage with respect to their south African competitors who have access to low cost power and better ore quality.
The pricing in the industry is determined by the demand supply situation and is also based on the mid to long term contracts with the steel manufacturers.

Management quality checklist

– Management compensation : fairly reasonable at less than 1% of sales
– Capital allocation record : fairly good for the last 6 years
– Shareholder communication – average
– Accounting practice : appears conservative
– Conflict of interest: none that I could see. The company has access to low cost ore from sister company
– Performance track record : appears good for the last 6 years. However industry economics are bad

Valuation
The net margins and the topline growth of the company maybe at a cyclical high. The fair value of the company is between 7-10 if one assumes that the normalized margins are in the region of 6-8% and the growth will average 8-10%. The reason for having a range is that it is difficult to pinpoint a single number as ‘the’ margin or topline growth and peg a fair value to it.
In terms of comparison to other companies in the sector, the company is selling at a 30-40% discount to other companies in the sector.

conclusion
If you search the internet on this company, you are likely to find this stock being touted the next microcap to make you rich. I have seen price targets ranging from 12-15 rs in the next 6 month. The geniuses giving these price target don’t know what they are going to eat tomorrow, but know what the stock price would be. It is still debatable who is the bigger idiot – the one giving the price target or the one acting on it.
I have personally created a small starter position in the company as I am now focused on learning and analyzing small cap and commodity type companies. These companies involve a different approach and mindset. The stock price is very volatile due to the nature of the industry and the size of the company involved. As a result, my estimate of fair value is not more than 9-10 in the best of the circumstances.
The stock can provide decent returns if the demand supply situation remains stable in the next 1-2 years and the company executes well. However, as I said before, if you want to build castles in the air and daydream then there are a lot of geniuses in the market ready to sell you a nice price target.

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