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Buffet’s talk at Notre Dame

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I recently came across the transcript of a talk which buffet gave at Notre dame. A few gems from the talk (paraphrased )
‘You don’t want to buy a dollar bill that’s sitting for 50 cents, and it demands positive
capital, and its going to be a dollar bill ten years from now. You want a dollar bill that’s
going to compound at 12%’
‘A couple of fast tests about how good a business is. First question is “how long does the
management have to think before they decide to raise prices?” You’re looking at
marvelous business when you look in the mirror and say “mirror mirror on the wall, how
much should I charge for Coke this fall?” That’s a great business. When you say, like we
used to in the textile business, when you get down on your knees, you know you call in
all the priests, rabbis, and everyone else, “just another half cent a yard”. Then you get up
and they say “We won’t pay it”. Its just night and day. You KNOW those businesses. I
mean, if you walk into a drugstore, and you say “I’d like a Hershey bar” and the man says
“I don’t’ have any Hershey bars, but I’ve got this unmarked chocolate bar, and its a nickel
cheaper than a Hershey bar” you just go across the street and buy a Hershey bar. THAT is
a good business.’
The ability to raise prices; the ability to differentiate yourself in a REAL way, and a REAL way means you can charge a different price, that makes a great business.
I’d like to talk to you for just a few minutes about what I regard as the most important
thing in investments and also in terms of your career. Because in your career what train
you get on makes a lot of difference. Because frequently, perhaps generally, when people
get out of business school, they don’t give enough thought to exactly what sort of train
they’re going to get on. And it makes a tremendous difference whether you get involved
in a prosperous company; one that’s going to really do well. On balance, you want to go
with a company whose stock is going to be a good investment over the years because
there’s going to be much more opportunity; there’s going to be more money made, you’re
going to (garbled). And if you get involved with some of the businesses I’ve been
involved with like trading stamps
One is a marvelous, absolutely sensational business, the other one is a terrible business. If
you have a choice between going to work for a wonderful business that is not capital
intensive, and one that is capital intensive, I suggest that you look at the one that is not
capital intensive.
I read all kinds of business publications. I read a lot of industry publications. Coming in
today on the plane (garbled). I’ll grab whatever comes in the morning. American Banker
comes every day, so I’ll read that. I’ll read the Wall Street Journal. Obviously. I’ll read
Editor and Publisher, I’ll read Broadcasting, I’ll read Property Casualty Review, I’ll read
Jeffrey Meyer’s Beverage Digest. I’ll read everything. And I own 100 shares of almost
every stock I can think of just so I know I’ll get all the reports. And I carry around
prospectuses and proxy material. Don’t read broker’s reports. You should be very careful
with those.
– In addition buffet goes the economics of various businesses such as coke, gillette, textile and other commodity business
A must read for an investor.

Checking on Britannia industries

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Started looking at britannia industries. It is selling for around 14 times FY05 earnings. The bottom line seems to be growing in low teens. There is very low debt on the balance sheet. In addition found the following interesting
– 30 % ROE
– almost 100 Rs / per investment – need to figure out what is this investment ( net of debt )
– Very high asset TO ratios.
– good free cash flow
– slight improvement in the margin (which seem adequate for an FMCG company )
– strong brands , extensive distribution network, good history of new products

What i still need to figure out
– The NP growth is almost to the tune of 30 % for the year. How sustainable is it ?
– Competitive scenario – ITC / HLL entry into brakery business, how will it impact britannia
– How will the management handle the free cash flows ? will they continue share buybacks or make some bad accquisitions or investments ( need to figure out these investments)

One the strangest points is that britannia does not have a website. How can a 1000 crore + company not have a website ? So it is diffcult to get their annual report

Business mirage

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A few years back i became interested in moser baer. This company seemed (on the face of it ) to be doing very well. It was getting into a product (CD) which was growing fast. The margins were great. The return on capital was high. The valuation looked great.

But then digging deeper, there were a few things which troubled

– was the depreciation enough to take care of the rate of obselence of the Fixed assets in the fast changing memory business
– how would the margins behave when 1) growth slowed down 2) the price deflation continued and accelerated ( memory prices have dropped by factor of 10 in the last 3-4 years )
– the business seems to be needing regular equity infusion for growth (maybe not important if the business is in high growth phase )

I was looking at the latest results and inspite of the topline growth the margins seem to be dropping. In addittion CD/DVD are getting cheaper by the month. so there is going to a constant pressure on margins. End of the day, it is a commodity business where the price of the product just keeps dropping. In addition , any new memory would require new captial equipment and hence more capital ( especially if it is a new technology )

So the business looks profitable , but if one looks closely ,the money coming out has a mirage like feel …you can see it , but never touch it

Charlie munger – Wesco meeting 2005

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I was reading the transcipts of the meeting on fool.com . There were several comments from munger which really impressed me.

– He referred to a ā€œseamless web of deserved trustā€ which is necessary to run any large coporation. This is a profound idea. how companies in india work this way ?
– he talked out currency trading being a zero sum game. he would prefer equity where it is not a zero sum game
– he talked about lowering return expectations in the current environment. Annhieser busch could that example. A certain investment with lower return. This is important. Better to be sure of lower returns that optimisitic of fantastic results

Found the Q&A really fantastic.

Warren Buffett’s talk with students at Tuck school of business

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I came across a transcript buffett’s talk with the students at Tuck school of business. I have pasted the link below. What i found intersting (actually the entire talk was very interesting) were the replies to the following two questions

Q: I have worked in various technologies businesses, but I understand that you do not typically invest in the technology sector. Why is that? How do you view technology as an individual and as an investor?
A: Technology is clearly a boost to business productivity and a driver of better consumer products and the like, so as an individual I have a high appreciation for the power of technology. I have avoided technology sectors as an investor because in general I don’t have a solid grasp of what differentiates many technology companies. I don’t know how to spot durable competitive advantage in technology. To get rich, you find businesses with durable competitive advantage and you don’t overpay for them. Technology is based on change; and change is really the enemy of the investor. Change is more rapid and unpredictable in technology relative to the broader economy. To me, all technology sectors look like 7-foot hurdles.

Q: I worked in the paper and packaging business this past summer and really enjoyed my experience. None of my classmates are interested in the paper business and the company I worked for has not had MBA interns in years. Clearly the paper business has its challenges, but do you see this as an opportunity or a roadblock?
A: Well, you’ve got it right that the paper business is challenged. High capital intensity, low margins, cyclical. It is a brutal business; no one cares who made the box their Dell computer came shipped in. In general, commodity businesses, even you’re the low-cost producer, are difficult. There are generally two recommendations I offer to college and business school graduates. The most important thing about where you work is that you admire/love it. So it sounds like you liked your experience, and that’s great. But we come to my second recommendation, which is to get on the right train; that is, moving in the right direction. There’s no course in business school called “Getting on the Right Train”, but it’s really important. You can be an average passenger but if you get on the right train it will carry you a long way. You want to learn from experience, but you want to learn from other people’s experience when you can. Managing your career is like investing – the degree of difficulty does not count. So you can save yourself money and pain by getting on the right train.

So makes one think, how will some of the current ‘performers’ like maruti, tisco, telco and others will perform in the long run. Some of these have high return on equity, but is it sustainable over a complete business cycle

here’s the link :http://mba.tuck.dartmouth.edu/pages/clubs/investment/WarrenBuffet.html

BRK buys Annhieser Busch (BUD)

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Looks like a typical buffett move. A company with strong brands such as Budwieser, oligopolistic industry , very high Return on equity for the company, strong distribution, a product / business model which will not change (who is going to stop drinking beer ??) and hence predicable.

seems the only disadvantage is the mcap of the company is small so BRK cannot take a very big position

buffet partnership letter – 1969

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just read the 1969 partnership letter. This was the year when buffet shocked his partners by deciding to close his partnership. That was highly unusual for a money manager , especially if the preceeding year had been as good as it had been for buffet and on top of that if the market was in a bull phase. But buffet rationally decided that there were no bargains to be found and it was better to quit the game than set yourself up for failure.
what struck me in the letter were two points
a) buffet in 1969 clears says that considering the situation then, the conventional wisdom that stocks are a better investment than bonds did not hold true and an investor could expect the same level of return from both. As a result an investor would be better off holding bonds instead of stocks. now this is important as most of the people equate buffet with ‘buy and hold’ which has now become buy and hold ( irrespective of the valuations). This letter clearly shows buffet’s thinking in this matter. Hold you stock till one has rational and well thought out reasons that the stock is not grossly overvalued
b) the second point is mainly buffet’s recommendation of bill ruane to his investor and his very rational and sound assesment of bill ruane’s past performance and ethics. He logically explains and sets the right expectations for his investor and also gives some pointers of how to evaluate a money manager. i found this very enlighting

Charlie Munger’s Biography – 3

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I have been reading the biography and found the following thoughts from charlie worth noting

– Adopt a multidisciplinary approach to investing. One should know the major ideas across varied disciplines such as physics, economics, mathematics etc.
– One should read with a purpose in mind and should array the fact with the major models from various disciplines. One should not just gather facts , but these facts should be used to prove or disprove the various mental models
– To be successful in investing and to constantly improve , one should always ask ‘why’ why’ why’
– one should adopt the approach of analyzing a problem for its most fundamental cause ( derived from physics ) which many times is the most simplest reason for the problem. As applied to investing this would mean that one should be able to zero down to the key factors in analyzing a business and focus on them

There is a good anecdote of charlie’s discussion with a professor on the dividend policy for companies. It is a fairly long one, but essentially it demonstrates the depth of his thinking and a commonsensical approach to complex issues. Charlie munger’s approach to dividend policy is that a company should retain earnings only if it can create more than a dollar of value for every dollar retained. In the discussion charlie also notes that cost of capital should not be a mathematical construct only…rather it should be looked at from opportunity cost point of view.

This is a very simple but powerful idea. for example if i am a very risk averse investor and my opportunity cost is say 6 % ( Bank FD ? ) , then i should discount a stock say by 6 % and to be safe ask for a high margin of safety.
compare this with an investor whose opportunity cost is 15 % ( current return on his portfolio maybe ). Then the investor should discount the stock with 15 % because if this stock cannot cross the 15 % hurdle , then the investor should not invest in the stock

This book contains a lot of gem of ideas

Buffet : Follow Retained earnings

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I read the article below and found it to be very interesting. Makes you think on the importance of free cash flow v/s earnings (on which analysts are fixated).
If free cash flow is important, then what should be the value of companies like – moser baer, some of the cement companies, steel companies which make a lot of money (at least in the upcycle ) , but need buckets of cash to invest in new plant, R&D , working capital etc.
One would see analyst getting excited with the huge earnings growth and the low PE. I would temper my expectations because
a) earnings are high as demand and pricing is strong
b) PE are low in a cyclical stock during an upcycle
c) earnings are ignoring the impact of Capex ( which is high in these companies)

article taken from wallstraits.com
BUFFETT: FOLLOW RETAINED EARNINGS
In the 1934 edition of Security Analysis, Ben Graham introduces his readers to Edgar Lawrence Smith, who in 1924 wrote a book on investing entitled Common Stocks As Long-Term Investments (Macmillan, 1924). Smith put forth the idea that common stocks should in theory grow in value as long as they earn more than they pay out in dividends, with the retained earnings adding to the company’s net worth. In a representative case, a business would earn a 12% return on equity, pay out 8% in dividends, and retain 4% to surplus. If it did this every year, the stock value should increase with its book value, at a rate of 4% compounded annually.
With this in mind, Smith explains the growth of asset values through the reinvestment of a corporation’s surplus earnings in the expansion of its operations. Graham, however, warns us that not all companies can reinvest their surplus earnings in expansion of their business enterprise. Most, in fact, must spend their retained earnings on simply maintaining the status quo through the replenishment of expiring plants and equipment. Predicting future earnings of any enterprise can be very difficult and given to great variance. This means that making a future prediction of earnings can be fraught with potential disaster.
Warren Buffett concluded that Graham’s assessment of Smith’s analysis was correct for a great majority of businesses. However, he found that under close analysis some companies were an exception to the rule. Buffett found that these exceptions over a long period of time were able to profitably employ retained earnings at rates of return considerably above the average. In short, Buffett found a few businesses that didn’t need to spend their retained earnings upgrading plant and equipment or on new-product development, but could spend their earnings on acquiring new businesses or expanding the operations of their already profitable core enterprises.
We want to invest in businesses that can retain their earnings and haven’t committed themselves to paying out a high percentage of their profits as dividends. This way the shareholders can benefit from the full effects of compounding, which is the secret to getting really rich.
Capital Spending for Maintenance vs Growth
One of our key stock screens for our WS8 Portfolio, as our
Intelli-Vest members are well aware, is to think carefully about how management allocates capital. How much is paid as cash dividends? How much is required to be invested in maintaining or replacing plants and equipment just to maintain current levels of sales and profits? How much is spent on expanding production to create new business, new sales and new profits? To understand the investment merit of any business, we must be able to answer these capital allocation questions.
Making money is one thing, retaining it is another, and not having to spend it on maintaining current operations is still another. Buffett found that in order for Smith’s theory to work he had to invest in companies that (1) made money, (2) could retain it, and (3) didn’t have to spend those retained earnings on maintaining current operations.
Buffett discovered that the capital requirements of a business may be so demanding that the company ends up having little or no money left to increase the fortunes of its shareholders.
Let me give you an example. If a business makes $1 million a year, and retains every cent, but every other year it has to spend $2 million replacing plant and equipment that were expended in production, the company really isn’t making any money at all; the business is only breaking even. The perfect business to Buffett would be one that earns $2 million and spends zero on replacing plant and equipment.
Buffett used to teach this lesson when he conducted a night class on investing at the University of Nebraska at Omaha Business School (image enrollment demand if he still taught such a class today!). He would lecture on the capital requirements of a company and the effect that it had on shareholder fortunes. He would do this by showing his students the past operating records of AT&T and of Thomson Publishing.
Buffett would demonstrate that AT&T, before it was broken up, was a poor investment for shareholders, because though it made lots of money, it had to plow even more money than it made into capital requirements — research and development and infrastructure. The way that AT&T financed the expansion was to issue more shares and to sell lots of debt.
But a company like Thomson Publishing, which owned a bunch of newspapers in one-newspaper towns, made lots of money for its shareholders. This was because once a newspaper had built its printinig infrastructure it had little in the way of capital needs to such away the shareholders’ money. This meant that there was lots of cash to spend on buying more newspapers to make its shareholders richer.
The lesson is that one business grew in value without requiring more infusions of capital and the other business grew only because of the additional capital that was invested in it.
Warren Buffett decided he wanted to search for a few businesses businesses that seldom required replacement of plant and equipment and didn’t require ongoing expensive research and development. He wanted a few companies that produced a product that never became obsolete and was simple to produce and had little competition: the only newspaper in town, a candy bar manufacturer, a chewing gum company, a razor blade producer, a soda pop business, a brewery — basic businesses with products that people never want to see essentially change. Predictable product, predictable profit. And he found a few, and he became the richest man on the planet!

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