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Investment advise paradox

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Found this good article (below) on wallstraits.com. I have wondered several times the same point – ‘if the stock tips are so good and reliable’ then why are they being given out for free or for a fee. Put it another way, all these experts on the TV channels and websites who claim to know where the market is going ..why are they letting others onto it or selling this advice for a fee. Can these ‘experts’ not getting rich by following their own advise? Replace the work expert with  broker and this paradox is even more jarring !

It is ironic that two approaches to stock market investing that would be widely accepted in the prosperous second half of the twentieth century—Graham and Dodd’s “value” investing and T. Rowe Price’s “growth” investing—were spawned within a few years of each other during the depressed 1930s. Neither Graham and Dodd nor Price anticipated the long boom that would finally get under way in the 1940s. But the analytical approaches they developed, even though profoundly colored by the searing experience of the Great Depression, proved to be very durable, providing systematic methodologies for investing that would be successfully employed under very different conditions in the future.
At the same time Benjamin Graham and David Dodd were writing Security Analysis (1934), another student of the market, Alfred Cowles, was collecting data in an effort to answer a basic question that intrigued him. Seeking sound investment advice, Cowles had become confused by the bewildering array of investment newsletters published in the 1920s. He finally decided in 1928 to conduct a test in which he would monitor 24 of the most widely circulated publications to determine which was actually the best. The results of his efforts proved quite disappointing; none of the services correctly anticipated the 1929 crash or the subsequent bear market, and most of the advice offered proved to be quite poor.
It was then Cowles asked the question that he would spend years attempting to answer: Can anyone really consistently predict stock prices? Using his inherited wealth to fund research on the subject, Cowles assembled a great deal of data and eventually reached a tentative answer to his question. Summed up in three words, the answer was “It is doubtful.”
Cowles found that only slightly more than a third of the investment newsletters he monitored had performed well and that he could not prove definitely that the results of even the best of them were attributable to anything other than luck. He also took on the proponents of the Dow theory, exhaustively examining the predictions of William Hamilton, the Wall Street Journal editor who succeeded Charles Dow. For more than 25 years, Hamilton had been publishing market prognostications based on Dow’s ideas. Hamilton died in 1929, shortly after issuing, only days before the crash, his most famous prediction: that the bull market of the 1920s had come to an end. He received a great deal of posthumous credit for his timely market call from observers who forgot that he had made similar calls in 1927 and, twice, in 1928. Cowles did not overlook the previous faux pas; his analysis concluded that although a Hamilton portfolio would have grown by a factor of 19 during Hamilton’s years as editor of the Journal (1903-1929), an investor who simply bought into the market and held his stocks over that same period would have done twice as well.
Cowles, although not a trained academic expert, compiled an impressive array of information that would be used decades later by scholars seeking to examine the same questions that had interested him. (Much of the data used in this book to compute price-earnings ratios and dividend rates for the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries comes from Cowles’s work.) Cowles founded the Cowles Center for Economic Research in Colorado Springs; the facility was moved to the University of Chicago in 1939 and would over time support the work of many Nobel Prize-winning economists. But in the 1930s, Cowles’s insights were understandably unpopular with professional investment advisors, most of whom preferred to ignore his conclusions.
What must have been most galling was a simple point Cowles often made that was never answered effectively by the investment advice practitioners. As Cowles put it, “Market advice for a fee is a paradox. Anybody who really knew just wouldn’t share his knowledge. Why should he? In five years, he could be the richest man in the world. Why pass the word on?”
In spite of the conclusions he reached, Cowles never doubted that investors would keep buying newsletters. As he put it, “Even if I did my negative surveys every five years, or others continued them when I’m gone, it wouldn’t matter. People are still going to subscribe to these services. They want to believe that somebody really knows. A world in which nobody really knows can be frightening.”  
Sage@wallstraits.com
Credits: This article is primarily extracted from B Mark Smith’s market history book, Toward Rational Exuberance, 2001.

Buffett, Gates visit UNL

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Article on the gates / Buffett visit to University of nebraska. Some excerpts below



By Dick Piersol
Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, left, and billionaire investor Warren Buffett participate in a question and answer session with students at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln’s College of Business Administration, Friday, Sept. 30, 2005. (AP)
Lincoln Journal StarAs recollections of Tommy Lee’s visit fade like a cheap tattoo, the University of Nebraska-Lincoln refreshed its celebrity appeal on Friday with an appearance by the goalposts of capitalism.The world’s two richest beings — Microsoft chairman and chief software architect Bill Gates, a Harvard dropout, and his bridge-playing buddy Warren Buffett, the investment industry’s biggest rocker, chairman of Berkshire Hathaway and a UNL grad — communed with business students at the Lied Center.
In a two-hour question-and-answer session to be televised next year by NET, the Nebraska public television network, the wealthiest of America’s good ole boys answered unscripted questions in a relaxed setting for an audience of about 1,800, mostly students from the UNL College of Business Administration.The university warmed up and amused the audience with filmed introductions: TV’s Judge Judy adjudicated a disputed $2 bet between the two moguls she described as “elderly delinquents.” California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ran Buffett through enforced calisthenics. And entertainer Jimmy Buffett performed a vocal duet of “Ain’t She Sweet,” with the richer Buffett on ukulele.Then the featured guests got down to business, starting with ethics in business during challenging times, how they enforce their own sense of integrity in their organizations and ranging beyond to a variety of topics.Buffett said he sends a letter every couple of years to 40 or so Berkshire company managers to let them know they can afford to lose money but not their reputation.“I ask them how they would feel about any given action if it were to be written up in the local newspaper by a smart but pretty unfriendly reporter,” Buffett said.Nobody in the friendly audience asked about Berkshire’s latest brushes with the law, for example, the Securities and Exchange Commission’s September notice to Berkshire that the SEC is considering civil charges against Joseph Brandon, chief executive of Berkshire’s General Re, for potential violations of securities law.Questions ranged then to public policy, specifically the income tax, and whether it ought to be flattened.



One student asked what field of work the two might have chosen if they were 20 years old again.Gates answered medical science and biology. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has devoted billions of dollars to solving health problems in developing nations.Buffett chose journalism, and said in a sense, he is a reporter.“I assign myself a story, what is this company worth and why?” he said. Buffett owns a big piece of the Washington Post and told the audience his parents met at the university when his father was editor of the Daily Nebraskan. His mother was the daughter of an editor.

Indian Corporates going global

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The list of Indian companies going global is expanding rapidly. I am not referring to the IT services /BPO companies which had a global model to start with. I am referring to companies like asian paints, Tata motors, Auto component industries, Pharma companies like Ranbaxy and banks like ICICI  etc.

Clearly the factors for success in the global market would be different from those in India (more in some industries than other). It is difficult to come up with some unifying logic on the factors as each company, its market and strategy is different.

A company like asian paints is expanding in countries like Singapore, Thailand etc but avoiding the developed markets. It is leveraging its capabilities in distribution, channel management, sourcing but not extending its brands. On the other hand ICICI targeting the developed countries, but specifically Indians. It is leveraging its brands, technology etc to expand in these markets.

The common thread I have been able to see among these early globalisers is that these are successful Indian companies who are leveraging their existing capabilities into these global markets. However these companies appear to be defining their strategy clearly by identifying a niche in the global markets and attacking that niche with the distinct capabilities they already have.

For example, Ranbaxy has used its reverse engineering skills and low cost production base to attack the generics market (although some of these pharma companies are getting into drug discovery too).

Auto component companies are using the low cost and engineering talent to become the sole / preferred suppliers for Global auto companies. Another interesting point I noted was that most of Auto component companies have their own niches within the product groups.

I personally think understanding and evaluating the strategy of these companies for these Global markets would be very critical to come up with a proper valuation and a buy/ pass decision.

Any hasty / overly optimistic assumption would mean that one would end up paying for the likely growth potential with no margin of safety if the market also believes in the same thing



New section on Investment related spreadsheets

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Over the years, to get a grip on various elements of investing, I have developed several spreadsheets. Some of these spreadsheets are for screening investment ideas. Some are for carrying out the valuation of a company using various mental models such as DCF (discounted cash flow, Porter’s five factor model etc).

In addition I have some spreadsheets where I try to value the entire market (Sensex or Nifty). I have loaded one such spreadsheet in the new section I have created ‘Quantitative analysis’

In addition to get my arms around various valuation parameters such as ROE, PE, Cash flow, Competitive advantage period and how these parameters work for cyclical, growth and other kinds of companies, I have developed a separate spread sheet which has been added to the same section. This spread sheet titled ‘ROE and PE’ is more of an analysis spread sheet and throws up some obvious and some interesting conclusions.

These spreadsheets and several more which I would be posting are entirely based on my personal understanding of investment concepts and may contain errors. Please feel free to download them, read them and critique them if required. I would be glad if anyone could point out some errors in my thinking as it would help me in refining my understanding of various concepts

The world is Flat

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I have been reading the book ‘The world is flat’ from Thomas L Friedman. Tom is a New York times columnist who has also written ‘Lexus and the Olive tree’. Both these books are about globalization.
His latest book ‘The world is flat’ is about how the world is changing (he uses the word flattening) due to various trends. I have just completed the first section, which discusses about the various factors, which are driving this trend. The ten key factors, which are driving the world, are below

  • Berlin wall : The fall of the Berlin wall was a key event as it a precursor to the fall of communism and moving these countries from communism and socialism (India ) to a capitalistic system. This event brought down the barriers between the countries and accelerated globalization
  • Netscape IPO : Netscape introduced the first commercial browser and brought Internet to the masses. Internet no longer was some geeky technology used by a few.
  • Work flow software : Here he talks of how the workflow technology has enabled the various applications across companies and countries to talk to each other and has reduced the friction in global commerce
  • Open sourcing : Basically the free software , open collaboration movement between individuals. Ex : Linux, Apache server and now blogging and podcasting
  • Outsourcing : Companies giving out various functions to specialized vendors
  • Offshoring : No need for me to say anything
  • Supply Chaining : Gives the example of how Wal-Mart has developed this extremely efficient global supply chain and driven down costs across the value chain
  • Insourcing : Outside vendor getting into your company and taking over non core functions such as logistics etc
  • Informing : Empowerment of the individual . Example : Google has enabled anyone with a computer and net connection to have access to all possible information (well almost )
  • Steroids : Talks about how wireless technology is accelerating the above trends

Tom mentions India a lot in his book. India has definitely got impacted big time. Even individuals like us have benefited. As a personal example – before the net , It was a pain getting financial information on a company. One had to go to a broker, ask for the annual report. The whole research would take days. Now I can Google any company and pull all the data I want.
The transaction costs were high prior to the net. Now the same are below 1 %.

Of course all the information , does not mean that investing is any easier. It still requires interpreting the information. At the same time, the minute-by-minute stock quotes and information (noise ??) are only distracting

Microsoft’s nightmare inches closer to reality

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Read this article on cnet.com. The article talks of the challenge which google is posing to Microsoft.

Found the following comment interesting. Interesting to see how established business models are getting disrupted constantly , for ex in Telecom, in the desktop space (where Microsoft had a complete monopoly).


Microsoft, it seems, is faced with a classic “innovator’s dilemma,” as author Clayton Christensen put it in his groundbreaking book that defined why tech giants usually miss the next wave of innovation. Microsoft execs made what looked like the right decisions at the time. As a result, the cash came in. The core product, Windows, became bigger and more complicated, and getting updated versions became harder to get out the door.
Plotting the counter-offensiveThe burden of that success, as the theory in the book goes, makes it harder to respond to the next generation of tech innovators. Years ago, Microsoft and Apple rattled IBM. Now Google, some believe, has a chance to rattle Microsoft by providing a cheaper, easier-to-use alternative. “Every other time Microsoft was attacking from below,” said one former executive. “Now (Microsoft) is being attacked from below and they don’t know how to deal with it.”


Can’t think of an equivalent scenario in India. But models which are undergoing a lot of change are retail, the auto industry – auto parts, Pharma industry (we seem to be playing a role in impacting the global industry ). Good to realize that in most of these sectors, Indian companies are acting as the disrupters or would be disrupters.

Am I too pessimistic about the market

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I have been asking this question time and again to myself . Am I being too pessimistic ? I have some statistic below which I calculate to see how the over all market is looking like in terms of valuation and fundamentals ( extending back to 1991)


Return on capital, earnings growth seems to be at an all time high. The earnings have more or less doubled in the last 2 years. As a result the valuation do not seem to be stretched. The market is definitely not as richly valued as 2000 or 1992-93. At the same time the earnings growth , return on capital and interest rates are much lower than what we had at that point of time.

At the same time, will it get any better going forward. Can the Return on capital improve further, interest rates fall further and earnings growth improve further ? My thought is that the odds are low ….

But does it mean that one needs to sell or the market is ready for a crash ?? again I don’t think that is likely. I have not been able to come to a definitive conclusion and hence have chosen to do nothing ( not buying and not selling ).

Maybe another 10% increase in the market in the next couple of months could change my mind

Great article from Robert Shiller (of ‘irrational exuberance’ fame)

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A great article from Robert J Shiller on china. Just replace china with ‘stock’ of any company and the conclusion reached by Robert makes a lot of sense. The following statement in the article made a lot sense , especially in current context in the Indian market


At times like these, people can easily imagine that an apartment in Shanghai will be worth some enormous amount in 10 or 20 years, when China is vastly more prosperous than it is today. And if it will be worth an enormous amount in 10 or 20 years, then it should be worth a lot today, too, since real interest rates – used to discount future values to today’s values – are still low in China. People are excited, and they are lining up to buy.
To be sure, their reasoning is basically correct. But when the ultimate determinants of values today become so dependent on a distant future that we cannot see clearly, we may not be able to think clearly, either.Since the true value of long-term assets is so hard to estimate, it is human nature to focus on the rate of increase in their observed prices, and to allow one’s attention to become fixated on these assets just as their value is increasing very fast. This can lead people to make serious mistakes, paying more for long-term assets than they should, even assuming that the economy will perform spectacularly well in the future

Is China’s Economy Overheating?
Robert J. Shiller
The Chinese economy has been growing at such a breathtaking annual pace – 9.5% in the year ending in the second quarter of 2005 – that it is the toast of the world, an apparent inspiration for developing countries everywhere. But is China getting too much of a good thing?
Since he became president in 2003, Hu Jintao has repeatedly warned that China’s economy is overheating, and his government has recently acted accordingly, raising interest rates last October, imposing a new tax on home sales in June, and revaluing the Yuan in July.
But claims that China is overheating don’t seem to be based on observations of inflation. While China’s consumer price index rose 5.3% in the year ending in July 2004, this was due primarily to a spike in food prices; both before and since, inflation has been negligible.
Nor are these claims based on the Chinese stock market, which has generally followed a downward path over the past few years.
Instead, those who argue that the Chinese economy is overheating cite the high rate of investment in plant and equipment and real estate, which reached 43% of GDP in 2004. On this view, China has been investing too much, building too many factories, importing too many machines, and constructing too many new homes.
But can an emerging economy invest too much? Doesn’t investment mean improving people’s lives? The more factories and machines a country has, and the more it replaces older factories and machines with more up-to-date models, the more productive its labor force is. The more houses it builds, the better the private lives of its citizens.
A number of studies show that economic growth is linked to investment in machines and factories. In 1992, Bradford DeLong of the University of California at Berkeley and Lawrence Summers, now President of Harvard University, showed in a famous paper that countries with higher investment, especially in equipment, historically have had higher economic growth. One of their examples showed that Japan’s GDP per worker more than tripled relative to Argentina’s from 1960 to 1985, because Japan, unlike Argentina, invested heavily in new machinery and equipment.
In short, the more equipment and infrastructure a country is installing, the more its people have to work with. Moreover, the more a country invests in equipment, the more it learns about the latest technology – and it learns about it in a very effective, “hands-on” way.
It would thus appear that there is nothing wrong with China continuing to buy new equipment, build new factories, and construct new roads and bridges as fast as its can. The faster, the better, so that the billion or so people there who have not yet reached prosperity by world standards can get there within their lifetimes.
And yet any government has to watch that the investment is being made effectively. In China, the widespread euphoria about the economy is reason for concern. Some universal human weaknesses can result in irrational behavior during an economic boom.
Simply put, China’s problem is that its economic growth has been so spectacular that it risks firing people’s imaginations a bit too intensely. At times like these, people can easily imagine that an apartment in Shanghai will be worth some enormous amount in 10 or 20 years, when China is vastly more prosperous than it is today. And if it will be worth an enormous amount in 10 or 20 years, then it should be worth a lot today, too, since real interest rates – used to discount future values to today’s values – are still low in China. People are excited, and they are lining up to buy.
To be sure, their reasoning is basically correct. But when the ultimate determinants of values today become so dependent on a distant future that we cannot see clearly, we may not be able to think clearly, either.Since the true value of long-term assets is so hard to estimate, it is human nature to focus on the rate of increase in their observed prices, and to allow one’s attention to become fixated on these assets just as their value is increasing very fast. This can lead people to make serious mistakes, paying more for long-term assets than they should, even assuming that the economy will perform spectacularly well in the future. They can overextend their finances, fall victim to promotions, invest carelessly in the wrong assets, and direct production into regions and activities on the basis of momentary excitement rather than calculation of economic fundamentals.
So, maybe the word “overheated” is misleading. It might be more accurate to say that public attention is over-focused on some recent price changes, or over-accepting of some high market values. Whatever one calls it, it is a problem.
Fortunately, people also tend to trust their national leaders. For this reason, it is all the more important that the leaders not remain silent when a climate of speculation develops. Silence can be presumed to be tacit acceptance that rapid increases in long-term asset price are warranted. National leaders must speak out, and they must match their words with concrete actions, to help signal to the public that the speculative bubble cannot be expected to continue.
That is what the Chinese government has begun to do. The real-estate boom appears to be cooling. If the government continues to pursue this policy, the salutary effects in terms of public trust in the country’s businesses and institutions will help ensure stable, sustainable economic growth for years to come.
Robert J. Shiller is Professor of Economics at Yale University, Director at Macro Securities Research LLC, and author of Irrational Exuberance and The New Financial Order: Risk in the 21st Century.
Copyright: Project Syndicate, 2005.www.project-syndicate.org

Relationship between PE, ROE and Competitive advantage period (CAP)

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I have been working on various permutations of ROE and CAP (period for which the company can earn over cost of capital) using the DCF model to see the PE ratios which are thrown up by the model.

Its fairly intuitive that a company with a high CAP and high ROE should have a high PE. But these permutations have thrown a few insights

  • For similar CAP and growth rates a company having an ROE of 20 % should have a PE which is 1.3-1.4 times that of a company with an ROE of 10%. Similar ratios come up for every 10% increase of ROE
  • Companies with moderate ROE ( 10-15 %) need CAP of more than 10 years to justify a PE of 20 or higher
  • Companies with PE of 30 or higher need a CAP of 10 + years with a growth of 15% and ROE of 25% or higher

So any time I see a company with PE of 20 or higher (which is high these days), the first question I ask is – Given the ROE of the company, does the company have substantial duration of CAP ( 10 years or higher ).

A company with a PE of 30 or higher must have a great return on capital, very strong growth and 10 years or higher CAP. A point worth thinking about when looking at such high valuation companies.

This way of think is detailed in the book ‘expectations investing’ by micheal maubossin and is definitely worth a read.

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