AuthorRohit Chauhan

Rational allocation of capital – A case study of Marico

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First the disclaimer – The post is not an attempt to recommend marico as an investment (and definitely at these price levels). I do own the stock and have tracked the company for more than 5 years. The post is an attempt to give an example of a company which has a rational capital allocation policy. It does not mean that there are’nt other companies which do so. But I have found only a few companies which would return cash to the shareholder than just hoard it or worse just blow it in unrelated accquistions. Actually I have held stocks of a few such companies in the past.

Marico industries just announced the accquisiton of the brand nihar from HLL india for around 100 crores (not a 100 % sure on this) . This is however not the first brand accqusition of marico.

Marico has accquired a few small brands such as manjal and oil of malabar (not sure on this one) in the past. I have seen a resonably rational attitude towards capital allocation

This is a company with a consistent ROCE of 30% + and Debt equity of less than 0.2 for around 8-10 years. The company is in an industry with low to moderate growth rates (FMCG). As a result the company has had an excess of cash for quite some time.

Over the years I have seen the company do the following with the free cash flow

  • pay down the debt through the excess cash flows to close to 0 debt position by 2003-04 (the Debt equity ratio was as high as 0.8 in 1994)
  • Resonable dividend payout ratios of 40% or higher
  • Accquisition of brands / businesses in related businesses – hair care, skin care etc such as manjal, nihar and oil of malabar.
  • Development of business in related areas through new products/ services such as kaya or through geographical expansion in bangladesh and middle-east.
  • Return money to shareholder through preference issues (there was a bonus issue, but I would not call that return of capital)

Overall I have seen the capital allocation policy of the company to be fairly rational with the ROCE in excess of 30 % for the last 10+ years . In addition the company has a fairly detailed annual report and has quarterly updates which are more detailed than the annual report of several companies. Marico discusses in fair detail its business performance for every quarter.

Although there are companies which are better in terms of growth and return on capital than marico and I hold a few of them, my comfort with marico has been higher due to transparency of the company in terms of its communication. Have a look at their investor centre (go to the menu on the left) and you will agree with me. When I look for fresh investment opportunities, I try to compare the level of disclosure and communication of that company with what I get with marico.

Investing time on understanding technology versus investing money in technology stocks

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I work in the tech industry and have always been fascinated by technology and the role it is playing in improving our lives (definitely mine – cannot think of life without broadband, internet, e-mail, google etc).

Back in 2000, during the tech bubble, like others I got swept by the internet and technology mania and went ahead in invested in technology stocks. The basic logic of my analysis was correct, but I got the valuation wrong (overpaid for the optimism). After promptly losing money and later reading munger and buffett’s thoughts on technology, I have changed my approach to technology.

I am by no means a techno-phobe. I spend time reading tech blogs, looking and trying to understand changes happening in technology and how it seems to be impacting various businesses such as newspapers, media, advertising etc. But it is diffcult to realistically forecast a technology business out for several years. It is more so for technology businesses as valuations of most of these companies is high and to make any money, one has to be able to forecast the cash flows for 5 years or more.

Over time based on what I read and based on my experience, I now prefer companies which are predictable than which will have the highest growth. My own experience has been that markets tend to pay more for growth than predictability ( FMCG v/s IT services stock ?)

At the same time the decision to invest in tech stocks also boils down to one’s investing philosophy. I have tend to have a focussed portfolio with a few names and want to hold for 3-5 years with low maintenance (quarter or annual followup). As a result it is difficult for me to hold technology stocks as it requires too much effort to follow them.

As an aside I work in IT services. So my professional career is tied to the Tech industry. The last thing I want to do is put all my eggs in the same basket. That is not the typical way of looking at diversification. But for me the income stream through my career and my stock portfolio need to diversified sufficiently. Who wants to be lose a job and also see the stock portfolio crash at the same time, because the industry hit a roadblock !!

Long term buy and hold is not long term buy and forget

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I keeping reading this debate on whether long term buy and hold is a smart strategy or is it a fad followed by buffett followers.

It would seem to me that such a discussion clearly shows that the person debating it really does not get the core idea of the approach. Long term buy and hold is not long term buy and forget. There is no such business which one can buy and forget. When there is such intense competition, one has to follow or track the company in which one is invested.

My typical approach to understand the industry and then the company in detail. If I am comfortable with the company and the industry and if the valuation is compelling, I tend to slot the company into one of the three buckets

Type 3 companies are value stocks (graham style) where the intrinsic value of the business is flat or at best increasing very slowly. I hold such companies till they come within 90% of my estimate of intrinsic value and then I sell them. I do not see a benefit of holding such companies too long if the company is selling close to the intrinsic value which is turn is flat or worse, shrinking

The other end of the spectrum are my type 1 kind of companies. These are dominant companies with strong competitive advantages and their intrinsic value is increasing at decent pace. Such companies are more of the buy and hold ‘longer’ type of companies for me. I typically read the quaterly updates for these companies and try to check if their competitive strenghts are intact and they would continue to increase their moats as time passes. I have found that selling such companies when they touch their intrinsic value (atleast my conservative estimates) has not been a good idea. Most of these companies do well over time and their intrinsic value keeps increasing. So even if the company is moderately overvalued, then I would tend to hold on. Ofcourse if the company is wildly overvalued, then I would sell the stock.

The type 2 companies are between 1 and 3. This is grey area where majority of my picks lie. Most of these companies have decent comptetive advantages and their intrinsic value increases erratically. So these kind of companies require more attention and at the end of each year, I go over my thesis and try to re-think whether I should hold onto the stock or sell it , especially if it is selling close to the intrinsic value.

All of the above is a decent amount of work. Which is why I don’t hold more than 10-12 stocks in my portfolio. But finally I think there is no buy and forget kind of stock. Ofcourse I don’t follow the stock on daily or weekly basis. My follow up is more quaterly or annual.

Increasing circle of competence

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Found this Q&A buffett had with University of Kansas Business School Students. As usual the Q&A was a learning experience for me. In particular I found the following reply interesting

Q: What sources of investment ideas are available today?
WEB: First, you need two piles. You have to segregate businesses you can understand and reasonably predict from those you don’t understand and can’t reasonable predict. An example is chewing gum versus software. You also have to recognize what you can and can not know. Put everything you can’t understand or that is difficult to predict in one pile. That is the too hard pile. Once you know the other pile, then its important to read a lot, learn about the industries, get background information, etc. on the companies in those piles. Read a lot of 10Ks and Qs, etc. Read about the competitors. I don’t want to know the price of the stock prior to my analysis. I want to do the work and estimate a value for the stock and then compare that to the current offering price. If I know the price in advance it may influence my analysis (emphasis mine). We’re getting ready to make a $5 billion investment and this was the process I used.
I used to handicap horse racing. The odds had to add to 100%. Sometimes there would be what in horse racing is referred to as an “overlay”. We’re looking for overlays in the stock market. It’s like a treasure hunt.
You can increase your sources of investment ideas by widening your circle of competence. I’ve widened my circle over the years. I only needed to understand insurance in 1951. There were enough opportunities in that sector alone.

The above answer had me thinking. I have been making an effort in trying to learn about various industries and deepen and wide my circle of competence. The process I am following is

– pick up an industry and identify the major players in the industry
– If available, read a sector analysis report from any major brokerage firm: These reports give me good starting point and allow me to develop an initial understanding of the industry
– Use the initial understanding to build my ‘industry analysis’ worksheet
– Come up with additional questions (in terms of the competitive dynamics of the industry)
– Read the AR for the major companies (initially for the current year and then for the previous)
– Update the ‘industry analysis’
– Do valuation analysis for some of the companies which may be cheap

At the end of the above process I may find some companies worth investing. A lot of times I draw a blank. But I guess it is fine because as long as I keep doing this and improving my circle of competence, opportunities will come up.

Accouting standards and EDIFAR links

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Added two links under ‘OTHER’ – one for the ICAI accounting standards and the other for EDIFAR, which the SEBI database for all the filings from listed companies.

Not exactly exciting stuff, but fairly important for an investor. I think as an investor it is crucial for me to understand the various accounting standards well and the EDIFAR database is good source of data on any company which I want to investigate. I typically read through analyst reports as a starting point (ignoring their recommendation) and then follow it up by looking at these filings for detailed information on the company.

Can offshore outsourcers end reign of Big Six?

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Found this article on cnet.com on the trend in IT outsourcing industry in the near term

Almost $100 billion in outsourcing contracts will be up for grabs in the next two years, and big players including Accenture, Electronic Data Systems and IBM could feel their grip on the market weaken due to more competition from offshore companies.


My personal view point is that indian IT services companies like infosys, wipro etc will continue to gain market share and will show high growth for the next few years. Will the profit margin hold at the current levels. I think odds are against it. With the kind wage pressures already being felt and with dollar / foreign currency risks etc, I think the odds are that margin would come down over a period of time. More likely that the margins would drop by a few points every year till stabilise at 8-10 % (or maybe a bit higher). The key variable would how long will this take ? frankly I don’t have an idea. But I think it would be key variable for the current valuations to hold. If the slide is fast, then it would be difficult for the current valuations to hold up.

Google to touch 2000 $ !!!

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Saw this recommendation on google. With google crossing 450$, I think analyst are tripping over each other in raising their price targets.

Gives me a feeling of deja-vu – remember year 2000, right after the internet bubble burst – when the conventional thought was that companies like e-bay, CISCO could not go down, because these companies had solid business models, were dominant in their industries and had a fantastic future ahead of them.

The recommendation also notes the following

Stahlman said he reached his estimate for $2,000 a share using a multiple of enterprise value, which adds market capitalization, preferred equity and debt and subtracts cash.
That’s based on the 6.2 multiple commanded by Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft Corp., the world’s largest software maker and the company most often equated with Google as a competitor and model, he said.

Wow !! how can google be equated with microsoft ?? Don’t get me wrong …google is a great company and I love google product (I cant think of a day when I have not used the search engine). But google is not a monopoly by any stretch of imagination (which microsoft was for quite some time for OS and office products). Going forward the competition is only going to increase and I cannot think of goggle controlling the internet the way microsoft had a lock on the desktop.

The analyst predicts a sale of 100 billion some time in the future (does’nt say when) and the price of 2000 gives google a Mcap of 0.5 trillon dollars (500 billion !!!). Assuming google is doing extremely well even then, and has a Net profit margin of 20 % (current is 25 %), which I think is not very likely (but still lets assume for the sake of it). The PE at that time would still be around 25.

How many 100 billion dollar companies can grow at above average rates ?
How many 100 billion dollar companies have a net profit margin of 20 % or higher in a global market and can sustain it ?
How many 100 billion dollar companies have growths high enough to justify a PE of 25 ?

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.” – Albert Einstein

update : 01/20/2006

read views on google from bill miller. According to him the value of google could twice of the current price. At the same time following comments from him are worth noting

He said Google’s (Research) market-implied growth rate is about 28 percent. Consensus numbers for the company point to a 5-year growth rate of 33 percent to 35 percent, which then slows over the next 12 years to that of the overall economy, he said.
“The theoretical value of Google is still substantially higher than the market price. So the theoretically justified market cap under those assumptions is in the $240 billion range,” Miller said earlier this week.

Miller, who takes a long view on stocks and has low portfolio turnover, said there are still many unknowns about Google. Many companies start with great promise and then something goes awry and they disappear, he said.

Another topic at the bull session was whether Google’s users were “locked in” to its model, the way customers of Microsoft’s Windows operating system are, said John Miller, an economist at Carnegie Mellon University.
“Suppose you do have the best search engine. The big question is how sticky are the users,” he said.
In theory, customers could easily use a search engine other than Google, but Bill Miller said the fact that Google’s market share is stable suggests that a “psychological lock-in” driven by brand loyalty is keeping them coming back. (emphasis mine)

Thoughts on valuation approach for Banks

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I have been reading shankar’s blog and left a few comments on his post about valuing a financial institution (like a bank or FI etc).

Shankar left me the following comment

Rohit, help me in arriving at a sustainable valuation model for banking sector. Debt recap / NCA will not work here. I can only think of P/E ratios but then this works on the whims and fancies of interest rates. Any guesses?

Its always easier to figure out what does not work v/s what does. That said, I have tried to come up with a valuation approach for banks and such lending institutions.

So here goes –

To start with let me try to list the reasons why valuing a bank is different from any other business

  • Role of cash: Cash for a bank is equivalent to raw material and is used for creating the Product – Loan / mortage etc. For other businesses, cash serves as a lubricant (for lack of better word) to run the business. Hence for most businesses, cash is held for liquidity purposes. For banks, cash or equivalents is held as a raw material itself.
  • Free cash flow: Free cash flow (after considering Capex) can be calculated easily for most businesses. Difficult to do for banks as their assets are not really the building / equipment etc. Assets are mainly the loans/mortages/ investment made out of cash. A business in absence of opportunities can return the cash to the shareholder. For a bank, the amount of free cash is not dependent on the opportunities itself. A bank has to maintain certain liquidity based on statutory requirements such as the risk profile of the assets.
  • Role of book value: for most businesses, book value is an indicator of money invested. But may not be a big indicator of the instrinsic value. For banks, book value (net of impaired assets) is much more important indicator of intrinsic value
  • Risk: Bank by their nature are risky businesses (I have read comments by buffett / munger to that effect). Any business which has a leverage of 10:1 (which banks do), can fall apart quickly due to mangerial mis-steps

My typical approach (which in my opionion is not sufficient) to value banks has been

  • P/B ratio – I try to look at the relative valuation through this ratio. A high quality bank (in terms of operational efficiency, NPA etc like HDFC bank) would sell at higher P/B ratio. It is important to figure out the correct book value (preferably book value net of impaired assets)
  • Long term return on equity – Higher the better, provided the bank is not making risky loans
  • % of Net interest income to total income – Would want fee based income to be a higher proportion of the total income. Fee based income is typically less volatile and has low risk.
  • Operational efficency – higher the better
  • Presence of competitive advantage through – Distribution network, brand and quality of management etc which will allow the bank to earn higher than average ROE without undue risk

So effectively I do not have a quantitative (discounted cash flow type) approach to value banks. However I have tried to use a relative valuation approach. At the same time, according to me banks are risky businesses. One can never be sure what is the risk in the loan portfolio / derivative portfolio of a bank (you just have to trust the management). As a result I try to look for a higher margin of safety. I typically try to buy only when the bank seems to selling between 1-2 times book value provided the bank is looking good on the other factors.

Please share your approach/thoughts on valuing a bank. It would help me/others in developing a better approach to valuing a bank or any other financial institution.

Stay away from the stockmarket ?

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Found this post on mark cuban’s Blog

The Stock Market is for suckers….

I agree with mark’s basic premise which is that one should invest in the stock market only if one has an edge. However I do not agree completely with mark’s extreme view that the stockmarket is a place for suckers and there is always sucker on one side of a trade (although a lot of times there is one). The stockmarket is not a zero sum game and if one can avoid the extremes emotions of greed and fear, then one can get a resonable rate of return. Even on a trade, the buyer and the seller need not be a sucker. The seller may not be comfortable with the risk associated with the stock, may have achieved his targeted return or could be selling for some personal reason. The buyer on the other hand may have a similar view point, but could more comfortable with the risk on the stock, or could be hedging his position on some other stock.

I would say as an individual, I can have the following edge over the market

  • long term view : If I have long term view and can think beyond the immediate short term view point of the market, then I can find some good long term investment opportunities. For ex: FMCG in 2004 and early 2005 were good investment opportunities when the market was bearish about the short term outlook of this industry.
  • Investing in one’s circle of competence: As charlie munger’s says, it is not in human nature to be an expert in everthing. But if one works hard at it, then one can become an expert in a few areas. For me my circle of competence is limited to FMCG, industrial and a few other industries. So as long as I limit myself to these industries I should do fine. Ofcourse it means that the number opportunties are sometimes limited if these sectors are overvalued. But then as an individual one has the luxury of investing only when the opportunity is right.
  • As an individual investor, I have the luxury of being out of the market when I don’t find any values. A proffessional investor cannot do that

But at the same time, if one strays from his circle of competence and gets swept by greed or fear, then I think it is closer to gambling than investing (where the odds are against you )

Mark talks about technology investing in his post. Substitute ‘technology’ with any industry which is outside your circle of competence and I think the result would be the same. I think if one does not invest the required time to develop a deep understanding of atleast a few industries, then it is difficult to get a return higher than the market.

Some thoughts on banks and their retail portfolio

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Found an interesting view on indian economy from the ‘Morgan stanley GEF’ website

Some interesting observation in the article

We believe that a large part of the recent growth in industrial production and to a lesser extent services sector growth has been driven by cyclical global factors. A sharp fall in real interest rates since 2000 has encouraged both the government and households to borrow aggressively.

And

Acceleration in consumption growth has largely been driven by a rise in borrowing rather than income growth. Strong domestic consumption has been one of the key factors pushing the combined growth of industry and services sectors, which has averaged 9.3% over the past four quarters.

Second, rapid growth in leverage is also resulting in more credit risk in the financial system. Our banks team sees a rising credit risk building in the system as Indian households have leveraged significantly above the fair level that is supported by the current trend in per capital income. The central bank also relayed similar concerns.

The above makes you think about the valuation of banks which are showing strong profits and very low NPA. For Ex: ICICI bank has brought down NPA from 4%+ to below 1%. What are the kind of risks these banks have on their balance sheet due to their aggressive retail loans ? Somehow retail loans are now seen as low risk, high return and high growth area for most of the banks. As a result there has been a substantial growth of the retail portfolio. Maybe the overall risks are low (atleast the market has priced the bank stocks accordingly). The problem with bank loans is that these problems can remain hidden for a long time. As buffett as ‘Its only when the tide goes out, that you realise who has been swimming naked’

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