AuthorRohit Chauhan

Old flames and Old affairs

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I have had love affairs with Gujarat gas, concor, asian paints, Blue star etc in the past. The original thesis when investing in these stocks played out and the final results were far better than what I had expected.
Then like all affairs, it was time to part. A few of these stocks got overvalued and I moved on.

Now unlike old girlfriends, there is no harm in revisiting these old relationships from time to time. You know the company, its management well and if you held it for a long time, then you would have become comfortable with the business too. So I tend to track these old flames regularly and if I find them to be attractive again, I will go ahead and invest again in them.

They key point when investing in the same stocks again is to avoid becoming emotional with these stocks which have treated you well in the past. It is important to analyse these companies as if you are analysing a new stock and check the price value relationship. If there is a substaintial gap, then I am fairly comfortable re-investing again.

Case in point : Gujarat gas. I sold off this stock by end of 2006 thinking that the stock was overvalued, after having held the stock for 3 years. Then last year on checking the fundamentals, I realised some of the risk in terms of gas pricing had been handled pretty well by the company. In addition the company has expanded its area of operations further and is doing very well. With the current spike in fuel prices, I think the company should do well for the next few years.

So no harm in revisiting these old flames from time to time and re-starting the old relationships again. Ofcourse I mean stocks and not girlfriends 🙂 . Now this is one post my wife should not read (she hardly reads them anyway, so I am safe I guess).

Inflation and debt

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I have been reviewing the results of some companies and a few points are standing out

– raw material cost, over heads and labor costs are now increasing faster than sales
– Net margins are stable or coming down. Profit growth has slowed
– Debt may start getting repriced soon. As a result interest costs could start increasing

Maybe this is not news. However the above has the following implications

– valuations for the market and several companies is still based on the low inflation, high growth and high ROE environment of 2002-2007. If we have stagflation (high inflation and low growth), we could see prices drop sharply.
– Some companies in response to high growth, have taken on large amounts of debt. If we have stagflation, these companies could get hit very badly. The stock price for such companies could plunge sharply.
– In contrast companies with strong competitive advantage and low debt can maintain margins due to pricing power of their products and low interest costs. Such companies may see lower impact to their stock price.

I am not predicting a long period of high inflation and low growth and cannot be sure if we will see drop in stock prices. History (mid 1990’s) gives us a clue. During mid 90’s in response to high inflation, RBI hiked the interest rates to around 15% and we had a period of low growth from 1997-1999. Stock market returns were also poor during this period.

Does it mean that we should sell our stocks and wait for the clouds to clear. I would say no. The future is never crystal clear. It never was and never will be. What we can, however be sure is that good companies, with strong sustianable competitive advantage, will do well in inflationary and recessionary times.

What such times gives us is low prices due to the pesimissm. These low prices can be used to invest in good companies at attractive prices to build a good portfolio. However this is not easy and not for the faint hearted. If the inflation drops and the growth picks up quickly , then the returns could be good in the short term. However if economic situation takes time to turnaround, then be prepared to wait for a long time for the returns to materialize.

What is hot today ?

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I wrote about ‘rear view mirror investing’ in my previous post. What it essentially means is buying yesterday’s winners. As a far as long term investing is concerned, you will rarely make money buying yesterday’s winners. If like me, you believe that value investing is the way to go, then the focus has to be on companies and sectors which are currently out of fashion.

Lets try to invert – What is hot today. Let me think aloud and put a quick list below

Oil
Gold
Other Commodities like wheat, corn, metals etc
Energy companies (out of india ofcourse)
Real estate – In india it is a sure thing to make money and get rich 🙂

If you thought that this kind of investing was limited to investors, think again. Seasoned businessmen are prone to similar biases. Think telecom in US in 1998-2000 when companies invested huge sums of money in building capacity and then went bankrupt when the demand never materialized.

The same may be happening in real estate ..see this article and this. Maybe this is just a blip. But when real estate price (per sqft) starts becoming costlier than US, singapore, UK etc there is something funny happening.

So why do most people do it ? two reasons i can think of
– social proof : if everyone else is doing and making money, it must be right and i must do it too.
– laziness : If you imitate others, you dont have to think and take responsibility for your own decisions

Like driving, if you invest looking into the rear view mirror, then be prepared to get hurt (hopefully not badly).

The above may work for traders, momentum players etc. That is however not my area of competence and so you have to evaluate the above statement in light of long term investing.

Rear view mirror investing

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Was reading this article – mutual fund NAVs take the plunge. The following caught my eye

“The high erosion in the NAVs is the outcome of heavy concentration by mutual fund industry in sectors like banking, real estate, capital goods, engineering, cement and construction which were going great guns in 2007, but have eroded sharply this year. Most schemes had comfortably ignored sectors like pharma, FMCG and IT, which have started to perform now. So, the funds that failed to tap in these opportunities then are paying a heavy price today.”

The above statement gives me such a feeling of deja-vu. History repeats itself in the stock market, again and again. I saw the same thing happen in 2000 with IT. Most of the mutual funds piled into the IT sector, right before the crash. The same seems to have happened now.

Ofcourse it takes courage of conviction to go against the crowd. It is not rocket science to figure out that a company selling at 70 times earnings could be overvalued. But then most of the fund managers, wanting to keep their jobs are more worried about their quarterly performance than doing well in the long run.

For those who say that the small investor is at a disadvantage v/s the pros, I would say it is complete hogwash. All other factors aside, as a small investor I am personally not forced to invest in the current hot stocks. At the cost of looking like a moron in the short run, I can afford to pickup undervalued scrips which will give me good long term returns. That advantage alone is more than all other advantages the big boys have such as more research, access to management etc.

This rear view approach is however not limited to the big boys alone. Unfortunately a lot of small investors do the same. However if they lose money, they end up blaming everyone except themselves.

I am guilty of doing the same thing in the past. However the sensible thing I did was to blame myself completely for the losses. It is not that I mindlessly go against the crowd ( I wont cross the road with a red signal when everyone else is standing on the sidewalk for the sake of going against the crowd 🙂 ).

If am looking at a company, I need to convince myself why the market is undervaluing the company and what is my variant perception. For stocks which favored by everyone else, I have generally found that the market is either too optimistic or is valuing them fairly and hence it is unlikely that I will make good returns.

Inflation and portfolio strategy

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With inflation at 9% or higher (depending on the numbers you believe), it may be too late to profit from the increase, but it makes sense to re-construct your portfolio to reduce the impact.

My plan, which I detail in this post, is a mix of reading and personal experiences. Ofcourse everyone has a unique situation, so my approach may not be valid for everyone. However some points may be of use to most of you.

1. Equity is one of the best hedges against inflation. Long term returns are definitely 12% + (I don’t think 40% is the norm unlike the last few years). If one can find and invest in good companies, one’s with strong competitive advantage and pricing power, then I think the returns will definitely be more than inflation. Ofcourse in the short run one can lose money, so equity is not hedge against inflation in short term.

2. Debt is usually a component of one’s portfolio. In period of rising inflation it makes sense to invest in floating rate funds. That way one is hedged against inflation and may get a return of 1-2% above inflation. However with the current lose monetary policy and low interest rates, the real returns from such funds may be negative. It is likely that the benchmark rates will be raised in response to the inflation. In such a scenario, floating rate funds may give returns slightly above inflation.

3. Avoid long term FD’s and such commitments. If you invest for 5 years at say 8%, and if inflation crosses 9-10%, then you are losing money. One option can be to break the deposit and re-invest, but there is generally a penalty and loss associated with it.

4. Real estate is good hedge especially if funded by a fixed rate loan. In hindsight 2003-2004 was a great time to invest in real estate. Interest rates were low, everyone thought inflation was gone and real estate seemed to be priced reasonably. However I am not sure how good real estate is now as an investment option in general.

5. Be good at your job/ profession etc . Now this is a non-financial advise, but in the end for most of us the biggest asset is our skills. I think constantly upgrading skills and doing well in our professions is one of the best hedges against inflation. If you are one of the top performers, you will earn more via better increments or higher profits from your business. So I think investing in yourself is one of best hedges against inflation.

Now a lot of people will say gold, metals etc. I personally have no interest in those options. The long term data in most of these options show that the returns track inflation. So in absence of some special understanding of these alternative asset classes, I prefer to avoid them. I think there is enough for me to do in equity and debt than to worry about all this other stuff.

Finally, I mentioned profit from inflation ..is that possible ? if you can fund a long term asset such as real estate with a fixed debt (when rates are low) then during inflationary periods the rental rises with the inflation whereas debt is fixed. So equity in the asset is rising faster than inflation.

Also if you can roughly estimate when inflation is peaking, an investment in long duration debt (such 10 year bonds or mutuals) will give good returns when inflation slows (due to repricing of bonds). This happened to investors during the 2000-2003 time frame.

Analysis – Bharat Electronic limited (BEL)

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About
Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) is the largest defense equipment company in India catering to Defense services electronic requirement. BEL enjoys near monopoly status in supplying high-tech defense products like radars, sonars, communication equipment, electronic warfare equipment to the armed forces. Other division manufacturing civilian products supplies communication equipment to the telecom industry, voting machines etc.

The defence sector contributed to 76% of the revenue and the rest was from the civilian sector.

The company has a government mandated near monopoly for the defence sector business. In addition foreign vendors as a part of localization are required to source from BEL

Financials

The company has shown considerable improvement in financial performance. Topline has grown by 10% p.a for the last 5 years. The net profit has however grown by almost 20% p.a during the same period.

The higher bottom line growth has been driven by an increase in net margins from 10% to around 17% in 2008. Total Asset ratios have improved from around 8.2 to around 9.2 in 2007. The Wcap is negative or zero and the inventory turns have also improved 2.1 to 3.3. Only the recievables ratio has dropped from 3.1 to 2.5 in 2007.

The management seems to be aware of this and in 2007 has indicated that this was mainly due to incomplete projects and should improve in the current year.

The company is a cash rich company with cash net of debt of around 2200 Crs which could improve further in the current year.

The ROE seems to be steady, however net of cash it has been improving and the Return on incremental invested capital has gone up a lot.

Positives
The financials have improved substanially in the last 5 years. The net margins and Return on capital has gone up. The company has considerable cash on books. In addition the company spends almost 3-4% on R&D.
The company has introduced almost 25 products and systems in 2007. The company plans to continue this pace of new products in the future too.
The company has an order book of almost 90000 million in 2007 which is equivalent to 3 years of revenue at the curent rate.
The company will also benefit from the mandatory offset clause where in foreign vendors have to procure some portion of the contract from BEL.

Risks
The margins have gone up from 10% to around 17% in the current year driven by Raw material cost reduction. I am not sure how sustainable this improvement is. The long term average is still around 10-12 % and the current rise could be temporary.
The defence spending dropped around 1996-1998 time period and the net profits were low during that period. It looks unlikely that the government would drop defence spending now, however the risk remains.
Competition is very low in the defence sector, however the other segments do have some competition.

Competitive analysis
BEL is one of those rare companies which have very substantial competitive advantages. These advantages are government mandated and I find it diffcult to see how these will go away. Across the world there is a preference for domestic companies for defence contracts, more so in india.

Valuation
With an assumption of current growth and margins, the Intrinsic value comes to around 2100 Rs/ share. However a senstivity analysis of margins and topline gives the following numbers
Topline – 10%, margin – 10-12 % (long term average): 1650
Topline – 14%, margin – 10-12% : 2200
Topline –14%, margin – 17% : 3300

The central point for the intrinsic value seems to be around 2000-2200.

Conclusion
The company seems to be trading at 30-40% discount to instrinsic value. This is however not a sexy company. This is a company with substantial competitive advantages and will continue to be very profitable. However I don’t expect the market to suddenly discover this company and give a higher valuation. Most likely one can expect decent returns in the long run.

Who would have thought?

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Jan 2008 – Sub prime crisis in full swing, Rupee looked likely to appreciate (due to dollar weakness) , US on the edge of recession due to housing market collapse and high oil prices etc. IT companies were at an all time low

For ex: Infosys was selling between 1300-1400

May 2008 – Not much has changed in terms of fundamentals except that rupee has depreciated by 5-6 % (??!!) driving up inflation. The US economy has not gone into recession (yet !). Oil is now 125 USD+ and the future outlook seems to be as cloudy as ever (when is it ever completely clear ?)

So ….infosys is now selling at 2000+ (it jumped by 8% in US today). Other IT companies have increased by 50%+ too.

I will not try to explain why this is happening. My logic is as good as anyone’s guess. You will soon find enough articles trying to explain the unexplainable or the irrational. Why even icici direct is now recommending NIIT tech 🙂 …they have a target price of 180+ in the next six months. I think I will sell everything I have, and just buy this company for a sure 20% 🙂

Anyway, I am currently analyzing BEL (bharat electronics limited) and SRF and will be posting on them soon.

Is it smart to exit HPCL ?

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I got the below comment and thought of posting on it.

Rohit,
I am not sure if abandoning HPCL is such a good idea right now. You can buy good stocks at bargain only during distressed times. First crude prices will definitely go down. its just a temporary blip and secondly government cannot afford to shut down these PSU oil companies. Definitely PSU oil companies are not a long term bet for me..but for the short term ..i guess there is an excellent opportunity as of now. I know i can be wrong.

Selling is always a difficult decision especially if the underlying assumptions change. I personally analyse my stocks every quarter and more frequently if the underlying situation changes. In case of HPCL, I was banking on two key points
– Margins will not deteriorate drastically and maybe improve a bit in the next 2-3 years as other initiatives from the company bear fruit.
– market would realize that the company sells at 20-30% of asset values and will reduce the gap

Clearly the spike in Oil prices has invalidated the first point and the second may not happen soon due to point 1. I rarely make sell decision by short term drops in price. If the intrinsic value of the company is steady or growing, I will hold on to the company for a long time.

In case of HPCL, my key concern is that the intrinsic value of the company is being destroyed on a daily basis and at a very rapid rate. Time is not on my side in this case. The current oil price may turn out to be temporary. However I am not willing to bet on that as, the longer the oil price remain high, the more the company will bleed.

Finally an investment idea needs to be compared with all the other options or ideas. As of now, I can see other ideas which are better from a risk reward perspective and hence I decided to move out from HPCL.

Change of mind – HPCL

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I had written the post below on 20-May. Since then the government has started thinking of raising the fuel prices. Note the word – thinking. The decision to raise prices is easier said than done. Even if the prices are raised, the haemorrhaging of the oil companies will reduce only partly.
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I had written about HPCL earlier see here and here

The key elements of the investment thesis was as follows

1. The company is currently engaged in diversifying its revenue streams via various initiatives and reduce the impact of the pig headed policies of the government. These initiatives are lube marketing, Gas distribution and retail initiatives and oil trading and risk management. The market is currently not valuing any of these real options.
2. The GRM and net refining margins are at their lowest. Going forward the worst case sceanrio is that they would remain at the same level. If that is the case, the bottom line should still improve as the various company intiatives take effect (see page 53 of Annual report)
3. The 9 MMT refinery and expansion of Vizag refinery to 15 MMT and export of the petro-products and E&P activities should help the company improve its margins going forward.

The key unsaid assumption was that oil would not spike sharply. Oil prices are now at 130 usd a barrel (double the levels at the time of the analysis) and show no signs of coming down. In addition , I also read the following report – oil firms weeks away from bankruptcy. Now I do not believe the oil firms will go bankrupt – technically speaking. It is in the interest of the government to keep these companies alive. However the future looks bleak for these companies for the following reasons

1. Oil prices are unlikely to come down anytime soon. So the only way the government can sustain these companies is by issuing oil bonds. To raise cash, these companies will have to sell the oil bonds at some discount , incurring losses.
2. The government is unlikely to compensate these companies fully, wanting to keep the deficeit under control. As a result expect these company to incur losses for the forseeable future. In such a scenario, I am not sure how much these companies can invest in profitable growth and other assets.
3. These companies will increasingly look like the State SEB and other power companies in the long run – forever subsidsing the consumer due government pressure and unable to grow the business or invest in it.

Key learnings

1. I was clearly wrong about point 2 in the thesis. I never expected the oil prices to spike to 120+ (if i knew, oil futures would have been a great investment) . I never expected this government to remove the subsidy (and the next government wont do that either – it is not in their self interest). However the price spike in crude will be devastating to the oil companies.
2. Ignoring key pyschological principle – self interest combined with a crude price shock. Individuals and goverments take actions which are in their personal interest. Which political party is ever going to increase fuel prices and risk losing elections. I expected the government to behave in the way it is now. However self interest combined with high crude price will hurt the companies big time. As long as the prices were 100 usd or lower, the situation was bad, but now it is dire for these companies.

The loan waiver was still a one time event (hopefully). However the above subsidy is ongoing and will hurt the oil companies in the long run (in the short run they will be compensated via oil bonds and other mechanism). The above thesis was reasonable for moderately high crude prices. However the current price shock could drive the networth to zero.

Disclosure – I am exiting my position at a small gain. HPCL has not been a big position for me. The risk reward situation was good initially. However with the oil prices shooting up, I think the risk is not commensurate with the return.

Added note : In life there is no free lunch. Till date the government has subsidized fuel by gouging the oil companies. That well is now dry. Eventually all this subsidy will have to be paid by someone. It will likely come through taxes and higher inflation (most likely a combination of both).

What you will not find on this blog

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Stock tips – I do not believe in giving or receiving it. My approach is to analyse a stock and post the facts and my opinions. I would leave it to the reader to accept or reject my analysis. It is upto the reader to take a decision to buy or avoid the stock. I don’t even recommend stocks to my friends and family. If they make money based on my tip its because they were smart to take my advise. If they lose, I am to be blamed for the stupid tip. So either way it’s a no win proposition for me.

Price targets – I don’t believe in them. It is difficult enough to analyse a company and arrive at the intrinsic value. I think it close to impossible to predict when the market would close the valuation gap. So price targets are basically guesses and my guess is as good as anyone else. I am personally not selling a research report and don’t need to satisfy anyone’s need for a predicition. So better not to predict the unpredictable

Market, interest rate, and other short term prediction – No different than trying to predict stock prices. Only more difficult if not impossible

Analysis of gold, real estate, option etc – I do not have sufficient skills to do justice to these topics. Maybe options in the future, but I doubt gold and real estate.

Reviews or sales pitch – This blog is more of a personal interest. The ads you see are contextual ads from yahoo or from a few sponsors.

Net Net , this blog is an expression of my personal passion – investing and all things about it. I have no interest in selling anything and if I do manage to make some money from sponsorship – well that will hopefully pay for my coffee 🙂

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