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Learning, adapting and change

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Decisive action

Our approach in the past has been to hold and ride through the drop. This works if the long term prospects of the company remain unchanged and the company is going through a temporary drop in growth or has high valuations

In the past, we would hope and wait for the performance to turn which led to opportunity loss. More important, each position takes a certain amount of mental energy and the ones performing the worst, tend to take the most

We saw that happen with some of our failures in 2018 and 2020 which took away a lot of my mental energy. Swift and decisive action on exiting a weak position frees up my mind to  concentrate on better ideas

Stop loss

A Stop loss is commonly used by traders and some investors. We have resisted the idea as my approach has been to buy a company with poor outlook in the near term but good prospects in the future. In such cases, using a stop loss means we get stopped out before the company’s performance turns around

I have reflected on the past losses and have noticed my tendency to get carried away by the narrative of a company, especially after it has done well for us. The risk is highest when we have a high allocation in a company with high valuation. In such cases, disappointment in the performance hurts our portfolio more.

It is easy to set a quantitative stop loss and exit as soon as that is hit. However, that would have stopped us out of companies which went on to become multi-baggers

As a result, we are using a mix of subjective and quantitative criteria to set a stop loss for each idea

  • Position size
  • Long term compounding v/s a short term cyclical play
  • Technicals such as 200 DMA
  • Company level issues

I recently read a book called ‘Quit’ by Annie Duke and highly recommend it. There are two points from the book which I have taken to heart as it applies to investing

  • Quitting on time, always feels early: remember when we quit IEX close to the top. It felt early to me
  • Make the exit decision beforehand. At the time of executing the decision, the mind tends to come up with excuses. I experience it all the time

We have a stop loss for most positions and will cut the position in a graded fashion even if it feels early or we are proven wrong. If the position turns and the company starts doing well, we can always re-enter

Evolution

As the saying goes – Never waste a failure. I have always taken this maxim to heart. It’s not that I like to lose money. The problem with not being comfortable with failure in investing is that it happens quite often and not managing it well leads to further underperformance

For example – My tendency to hold on to losing positions in the past is a proof of this tendency

The performance of the last few years has made me reflect on some of the core aspects of our approach. One of them is – Buy and Hold

I continue to subscribe to the notion that wealth is built by investing in good companies and holding them for the long run. However, I have added caveats to it. There are very few companies which can perform consistently for a long period time (over decades) and the bar should be set high

For example, we started a position in PEL in 2012 as a cash bargain. The company evolved into a compounder as it built its pharma and then the financial services business. At the peak this was a 4X for us and a 10%+ position. However, we ignored a flaw in its business model – borrowing short term and lending to risky segment (real estate builders)

As I shared earlier in the note, I bought into the narrative and thought that the management knew what it was doing. To a certain extent, we must trust the management and their strategy or else we can never invest in a company for the long run

We failed in being critical enough, even though the market was telling us otherwise

We have become less complacent of the companies we hold and will not hesitate to exit our large and long term positions if we feel the risk  is high

Holding cash

We have held cash to the tune of 10-20% over the years. This has penalized our performance at around 2% CAGR. We never report our performance without cash as no one forced us to hold cash.

However, this cash holding is like tying extra weights on our feet while running a marathon. Cash has acted as a safety blanket for us and allowed us to sleep better. However, I am now rethinking the level of cash. We may hold lower amounts of cash in the future, but manage risk more actively based on stop losses

That said, we are not going to be reckless. If we don’t find any ideas, then we will hold cash. It’s better to underperform than lose money

Changing process – sudden or gradual

I have been thinking about our process for some time but only recently acted on it. The model portfolio and you the subscribers are not my guinea pigs.

We have a small tracking portfolio to add new ideas and track the companies for some time. I have been actively using stop loss in that portfolio. Some of the recent ideas were in the tracking portfolio for 6+ months before I added them to the model portfolio

This will continue in the future. At the same time, these tracking positions are small positions. Our buying happens at the same time as all of you.

Another change which is an outcome of this process, is higher volume of transactions. We sold 7 positions and added 11 new positions to the portfolio.  In hindsight, I was slow on the exit. We should have exited a few more positions earlier.

What has worked in the past, has become less effective in the recent years. This is expected due to the nature of the markets. As markets evolve and adapt, the bar is being raised and old timers like us must learn and adapt. We will continue to do so in the future

A long-term partnership

We repeat this every time in the portfolio review and will do so again (more for the benefit of the new subscribers)

  • We do not have timing skills and cannot prevent short term quotation losses in the market.
  • Our approach is to analyze and hold a company for the long term (2-3 years). As a result, our goal is to earn above average returns in the long run and try to avoid losses during the same period
  • Despite our best efforts, we will make stupid decisions and lose money from time to time. The pain felt will be equal or more as we invest our own money in the same fashion

We will treat all of you in the same manner as we would want to be treated if our roles very reversed. This means that we will be transparent and honest about our actions even when have made a mistake

Four Questions and a session

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I recently had an interactive twitter spaces session. Unfortunately, the first 30 min of the conversation was not recorded

I am posting the video below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucxiWhkvnG0

To link the questions and my responses better, I spoke about four assumptions in investing. We all make implicit decisions on these questions, but often fail to recognize it

Time horizon

The first assumption is the time horizon for each investment. We have labels such as traders or investors with traders having a shorter time horizon. These are lazy labels. Only a few investors are explicit about their time horizon for an investment. Is it 1-3 months, 12 months, 2-3 years or greater than 5 years?

Thinking on these lines is not an academic exercise and there is nothing superior about longer versus shorter time frames. Also, we cannot be sure about how long we will hold an investment, but we should have some viewpoint about it

Let me take a few examples to make this point

Assume your ‘average expected’ holding period is around 6 months. In such a case, you will be more concerned about the next quarter’s earnings, momentum in the stock and general economic conditions in the near term. You may use technical indicators more than fundamental factors to make a decision

In such a case a cyclical company such as steel or sugar is a good idea

In contrast, if you prefer a 5+ year holding period, you would be focused on the business model, competitive advantage, and quality of the management. You are more concerned about how the company will perform over the next decade and not the next quarter

A pharma or specialty chemical company could be a good idea even if there near term headwinds

One can easily see that an opportunity for one set of investors would be a nonstarter for the other. A lot of argument on social media is often two individuals talking past each other because their implicit time horizon is different

You don’t have to be precise about your time horizon but should have a general idea of the time scale you are operating on. That will define your type of stocks and the investing framework

Cyclicality

This brings me to next topic of cycles. I agree with the idea that in the end everything is cyclical. The only difference is the duration of these cycle.

An FMCG company could have a cycle of decades whereas a sugar company could complete its cycle with 1-2 years

One should combine the idea of cyclicality with time horizon. If you prefer to buy and hold for 5+ years, you must avoid a tier 2 steel producer. On the other hand, an investor with a 6 month horizon, would get frustrated if he or she buys a CDMO or a steady growth FMCG company going through a temporary slow down

Return on time invested

The scarcest resource for all of us is time. You can compound money, but time is finite and reducing by the second. If you accept that reality, then return on time invested is very critical

I will not get philosophical on this. For now, I will limit the discussion to what you are earning in monetary terms per unit of time spent on investing

I covered this topic in detail in the post below on why time spent on active investing has low returns

https://www.valueinvestorindia.com/2019/05/24/a-future-advise-to-my-kids/

Let’s assume that like me, investing is a passion for you. We all have activities in our life where we are not thinking of an economic return. Life would be a drab if we were economic animals all the time. That said, I think it is important to think of Return on time invested as a framework.

Let me give you an example – I used to look at arbitrage situations in the past but realized that increasing competition had reduced the return to low double digit one time return. It was not worth the time for me, and I stopped investing in such opportunities

The same goes for debt investing. I don’t want to spend time looking for the extra yield and add risk for that extra 2-3% return. I prefer to park my surplus cash into Fixed deposits with some large banks. It may be sub-optimal from a money standpoint, but better from a time perspective

I am not sharing these examples as a superior way of spending time. Someone else would feel that I have wasted 20 years of my life trying to beat the index. That said, I think we should all look at each investment opportunity through this lens

Sleep test or risk tolerance

I come to the final point. I have written about it in the past on the blog. The point is simple – Will an investment or level of concentration make lose sleep? If yes, then it’s not worth doing

This test works as a proxy of my risk tolerance. I don’t care what others think about an opportunity if it makes my stomach churn and lose sleep. We are all built differently and this question on risk tolerance will give a different and very personal answer. Trying to imitate others on this point is a sure way to unhappiness

Déjà vu again

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The following was posted to all the subscribers. Hope you find it useful

Market drops have become a once in two year events

2016 – demonetization (note here)

2018 – ILFS crisis (note here)

2020 – Covid Crisis (note here)

2022 – Drop in US markets and now Russia Ukraine war

There is no regularity to these events and does not mean we will get these drops in even years. Such drops have occurred in the past and will occur in the future too.

You have to study the market history to know that there is always something to worry about and scare the markets

Bottoms instead of top down

I have never planned the portfolio based on some specific forecast or event. In the last 11 years of our advisory, we have seen all kinds of micro and macro events occur. At that time, the event appeared to be a big deal and then eventually everyone adapted to the new situation

What I have changed in the recent past (as I noted in the annual letter) is my response to company level events. If a company is not doing well or the management is lacking in execution, we would rather exit than hope things will work out

Doing so ensures that we clear the portfolio of its deadwood and have positions with higher level of conviction. That’s the reason we have 25% cash level in the portfolio, not because my crystal ball forecasted a downturn in 2022

What does the crystal ball say now?

My crystal ball is as murky as it always has been. The same is true for others, even if they claim otherwise

However, a few long term trends which impact investors the most, seem to standout. Inflation and by proxy interest rates appear to have bottomed and could rise in the future. This will exert a downward pressure on valuations.

Commodity prices and supply chains will continue to get disrupted due to this conflict and other geopolitical events

All of this means a lot more volatility in businesses and stock prices

How to invest with higher volatility

In my mind higher volatility means that managements of companies will have to be flexible and adapt faster to change. For us as investors, this means that the operating environment for our companies could change suddenly leading to a break in our thesis

When that happens, we may have to sell and move on. Holding onto an outdated thesis and hoping it works out is a recipe for disaster

We have been doing that for the last 6 months and will continue to do so. I am not counting on luck to bail me out.

The second change is portfolio diversification across companies and sectors. I have tried to spread out our investments across companies and sectors to ensure that a hit in one does not derail the portfolio. The same holds true for your overall portfolio outside of equities. I would recommend being diversified across asset classes with allocation adjusted to your personal situation

A plan of action

A lot of you have asked if you should add to positions which have dropped below the buy price. The simple answer is Yes. The only time when this happens is when there is chaos and crisis in the world. Such prices come only during times of trouble

It does not mean that if you start adding today, you will not see lower prices. No one can predict how low the markets can go and when they will turn around.

This is the price of investing in equities and no matter what system you follow, there will always be losses from time to time. you can use a stop loss but then on the flip side if the market suddenly turns, you will lose the upside.

The best option is to invest in a steady and measured way keeping in mind that your purchases could show a loss in the short to medium term. Invest only if you don’t need that money for the next 3-5 years and the amount is such that these losses will not cause you to lose sleep

We continue to look for new ideas and with the recent drop, a few are becoming attractive by the day.

As always, our money is invested the same as the model portfolio and we continue to eat our own cooking

Simplicity is the key

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I wrote the following as part of my half yearly letter to subscribers. Hope you find it useful

When I started investing, I thought there is some magic formulae to grow your capital. After 10 years of search, I realized that the answer was staring me in the face.

The key to wealth creation was very simple – Save aggressively and invest patiently

I had always done the first,  but was doing it wrong with the second part of the equation. Like most young, hot blooded guys, my focus was to make the highest possible return in the shortest time possible. After a decade of doing that, I realized that the stress and effort was not worth it.

In addition to the lost sleep, I was reluctant to invest most of my capital to my own stock selection. Most likely, it must have been the risk of my approach which made me cautious

Key decisions

Around the start the advisory I made a few key decisions based on my past experience

  • All of my Liquid networth in India (excluding my real estate and some smaller stuff like LIC) would go into stocks (my own picks)
  • I would invest my family’s capital in the same manner
  • I will not shoot for the moon and my focus would be on preservation of capital above everything else

These decisions led to the following actions

  • No investments in derivatives, margin trading, IPO or any high risk situation
  • No reaching for yield in debt. Keep most of my capital in stocks and the rest in FD
  • No short term trading

In other words, the sleep test. Can I sleep well in the night with my current portfolio ?

The decision to  focus all my investments in one bucket – A diversified portfolio of stocks lead to a simpler portfolio, lower risk and a high allocation. There is no point making 40% CAGR if you allocate only 10% of your networth to it. A 20% CAGR with 80% allocation will lead to better results is a better option

I carried the same approach into the advisory as we have always believed in eating our cooking . Outside of a few experiments which if successful, make it to the recommended list, all my investments in India are the same as the Model portfolio. It has kept my life simple and the absolute returns are good enough for me

I am now thinking on how I can simplify my financial life further. A few thoughts

  • Identify a few stocks which have the benefit of a long term trend. Once you are invested, be patient, till the trend is valid
  • Eliminate all debt including contingent ones. An example of contingent debt is money for your kid’s education or for your own healthcare in the long run
  • Have a proper will in place so that your family doesn’t suffer if you get hit by a bus (hopefully never)
  • When in doubt, reduce risk. Investing is not a T20 match. You can always bat the next day

Survival is the ultimate prize

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It seems ages since I wrote the following comment three months back

How does one invest under such extreme uncertainty? One option is to assume that there will be a quick recovery and go all in. The other extreme is to wait till it is all clear and then deploy the capital. In the first approach one is making a bet on a specific scenario which may not occur, leading to sub-par results. In the second case, we may end up with sub-par returns too but only because prices will adjust once all the uncertainty goes away.

At that point of time the future was uncertain and anyone making a specific bet was ‘assuming’ a specific scenario. If we assume that 50% of the investors bet on rapid recovery and the other 50% bet on the whole thing dragging on, the first group turned out to be right.

You are now hearing from such investors who went all-in, in the month of March/April.

It could have easily gone the other way and in that scenario, the second group would be highlighting the merits of being cautious, whereas the first group would have been silent.

I personally avoid taking a specific view of how the future will unfold. The risk of doing so is high, if you get it wrong. If you are managing money for others (like me), then the risk is asymmetrical. If you get it right, you can tout your performance. If not, then your investors bear the brunt.

I will not tar all managers with the same brush. A lot of them, including us, are invested the same as their investors. In such cases, the behavior of the manager changes quite a bit. In such cases, your focus shifts to survival, than shooting the lights out. It does not mean that you will not make mistakes, but are very focused on managing the risk.

If the goal of investing for an individual is to achieve his/her financial goals, then the first priority is to ensure that you don’t incur a massive loss from which you cannot recover. The older you are, the higher the risk. I would recommend an individual investor to NOT look at the performance (especially near term) of professional investors. You should never do what this class of investors is doing, not because they are smarter (they are not), but because of the asymmetry of risk faced by them.

I took the following approach in the middle of the crisis

Under the circumstances, my approach is that of ‘regret minimization’. That’s a fancy way of saying that I will do something in middle, so that I can avoid FOMO (fear of missing out) if the first scenario occurs, but at the same time have enough dry powder available incase the economic recovery takes longer.

Instead of going all in, we have slowly added (and even sold) positions as shape of the crisis has become clear at the company level (and not at a macro level). It has allowed me to sleep well and live to fight for another day.

In investing, there is no finish line and gold medal at the end of it. The end goal is survival and meeting your financial goals.

The Journey matters

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Following is from my recent annual update to subscribers

The journey matters

I wrote about bitcoin in the 2017 update and compared it with small caps and midcaps. Since then bitcoin is down 75%, midcaps are down 16% and small caps are down around 30% on average.

A lot of investors believe they have a lot of tolerance for risk. I can tell you from personal experience, that most of us over-estimate our tolerance to risk, me included. There is a lot of difference between intellectually thinking of a 30% loss versus experiencing a real 30% loss in your portfolio.

For a check, think of how you felt during September when the market and individual portfolios dropped around 20%. These drops have gotten worse emotionally in the recent past due to social media and the speed with which rumors and panic spread. The same 20% drop causes far more anguish now than the past when such noise was minimal. In such a climate, it is critical to insulate yourself from the noise. If you don’t do that, it is likely you will panic at the bottom and make an irrational decision.

One way to insulate yourself from this noise is to know your own risk tolerance. If you think, you can bear a 30% loss on your portfolio – ensure that your equity allocation as percentage of your net worth does not exceed 50%. This will ensure that the net impact on your portfolio will not exceed 15%. In effect, ensure that the actual loss of your net worth is less than half your estimate of risk tolerance. This is a sort of margin of safety on your own behavior in case you have over-estimated your ability to withstand financial pain.

Know thyself

You will find a lot of charts on how companies like amazon have given 25%+ CAGR with 60-70% drops along the way. These charts show the 100X returns a hypothetical investor would have made in the last 15 years of holding this stock.

I can tell you that such hypothetical investors are very very rare and even if they hold this stock, it would be a small percentage of their portfolio. There is an infinitely small number of investors who can buy and hold such volatile companies as a large percentage of their portfolio. Try imagining your entire net worth going down by 80% and still holding on to it.

I am definitely not one of those brave investors. I have a much higher tolerance for volatility and risk than an average person, but I am not a risk savant – an outlier in terms of my tolerance. I have developed a level of risk tolerance over time but have always tried to remain within my limits. I see no reason for testing those limits as I don’t want to be miserable even if I get ‘richer’ over time.

There are no defined limits for risk tolerance. Every individual has to answer it for himself/herself. You will have to do same. One of the best test I have found is the sleep and worry test. If some positions or the overall equity allocation is causing you to worry and lose sleep, then it means that you are nearing your risk tolerance. At that point it makes sense to drop the position or reduce allocation before hitting the limit (and panicking at the wrong point).

I started worrying in late 2017 and hence reduced the equity allocation in the model portfolio. This allowed me to sleep better in 2018.



Stocks discussed in this post are for educational purpose only and not recommendations to buy or sell. Please contact a certified investment adviser for your investment decisions. Please read disclaimer towards the end of blog.

Get Ready

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I wrote the following to my subscribers recently. Hope you find it useful too.

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I am sure some of you got sick of my repeated discussion of risk management last year. In a bull market, the last thing you want to discuss about is risk. If a small cap stock, especially an IPO goes up by 3X in 3 months inspite of having an operating history of just a few years, forgoing such an opportunity to reduce portfolio risk appeared foolish.

This is always the case in bull markets. However, the same people who ignore risk in the stock market, do not behave in a similar fashion in other parts of their life. Have you ever heard someone with auto insurance, regret collecting the assured amount, inspite of paying the premium?

The price of focusing on risk and managing the downside during bull market is paid in the form of forgone returns. One should think of these ‘lost’ returns as an insurance premium you pay for the bear markets.
 
Let me explain how

Volatility at play
Let’s look at two managers who end up generating the same returns over a 5-year period.

Manager A (cautious and nervous)

Year 1 :           +20%
Year 2 :           +20%
Year 3 :           -5%
Year 4 :           +23%
Year 5 :           +20%

This manager has delivered a CAGR of 15% with low returns in up markets and a lower drop during the bear market.

Manager B (bold and confident)
Year 1 :           +50%
Year 2 :           +50%
Year 3 :           -50%
Year 4 :           +40%
Year 5 :           +30%

This manager has also delivered a CAGR of around 15% and beats the market by a big margin during up markets, but also get wacked during the downturn.

The reason manager B does well during bull markets, but get hurt during the downturns is often due to a high level of concentration in the portfolio. It is close to impossible to have a highly diversified portfolio of 30+ stocks and deliver a big outperformance.

The price of a concentrated portfolio (and high returns),is the much higher volatility of returns.

The guts to hold
Now, some of you may argue that as the eventual returns are the same, the path to it does not matter. To answer that question, you have to ask yourself – will you hold on if your entire portfolio dropped by 50% (and not one stock) and what if it’s the first year of your investment? More importantly, will you stay with a manager who performed this way?

I can state with a high level of certainty, that almost 99% of investors will dump the manager B and exit if the entire portfolio dropped by 50% or more. It is tough enough to hold based on your own conviction. To trust a person, you do not know personally, with this kind of volatility is close to impossible.

The net result of the above two styles is that manager A will end up delivering a CAGR of 15% for investors whereas those with manager B would end up with a CAGR of around 6% (assume they exit in year 3 and put all that money in FDs).

The above discussion is a mathematical and behavioral reason for my following comment – ‘No point getting rich, if you had a terrifying experience reaching that point’. The reality is that most folks will throw in the towel in middle of the journey and never get rich by the magic of compounding.

Time to get ready
We started raising the cash levels in the middle of last year as valuations went crazy. Our model portfolio trailed the midcap and small cap indices in the second half of the year

That was the insurance premium we paid to sleep better this year.

Since the start of the year, the two indices are down by 10-15% whereas we are down by much lower. I hope you are holding on and not planning to throw in the towel. I am amused to see a lot of commentators and investors talk of this drop as some major event. It clearly shows they have not followed the market history.

The Indian stock markets, especially the small and mid-cap indices have dropped by this level every few years. The real bear market in this segment is when the index drops by 25%+ and the scary one is if it drops 40%+. Will that happen in 2018? – I don’t know and have never tried to predict.

What I do know is that on average the companies we hold are doing well and as prices have dropped, the market is presenting an opportunity. By my last count, atleast 6 companies in the model portfolio are below the buy price and can be bought upto the allocations in the model portfolio.

Will the market continue to drop and more stocks drop below our buy price? Will the stocks already on the buy list continue to drop due to which you could have quotational losses (and not real losses) in your portfolio?

To both the questions – my answer is – I don’t know and it’s quite possible. I personally, don’t worry too much about these drops if the company is expected to do well in the long term.

I have said it in the past and will repeat here again – I can supply the analysis, but you need to come with the courage, cash and patience. If you have all the three in place, time to get ready and start purchasing slowly for your portfolio.

End note: By the way, Manager A has more career risk and will end up with lesser assets than manager B who can tout his returns during bull markets. However, investors in manager A come out ahead than those with manager B, as some of the investors in the latter case just drop out and never make the stated returns.

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Stocks discussed in this post are for educational purpose only and not recommendations to buy or sell. Please contact a certified investment adviser for your investment decisions. Please read disclaimer towards the end of blog.

Annual letter to subscribers: On risk, Bitcoin and thinking long term

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The following note was published recently to my subscribers. Any reference to performance or individual companies has been removed to ensure compliance with SEBI regulations.

I hope you find the note useful
What drove the performance
We exited 5 positions and replaced them with four new positions during the year.
It’s a unique year that none of our portfolio positions dropped in value. It is however not surprising considering that various indices were up 40-50% during the year, with almost 100+ stocks increasing by 100% or more. If we just compare the numbers, our performance is nothing to get excited about.
If you just threw darts at the small cap index, you could have done quite well. If, however, you were ready to throw caution to the winds and were open to go down the quality curve, then the gains were even higher. I am not crying sour grapes here. Let me explain why –
At any point of time, I am looking at several companies and track them over time. If I find an idea interesting, I usually create a small starter position to understand the sector and company better.
A lot of such starter positions are up anywhere between 60 to 400% during the year. So, when I say that, if you were adventurous and ready to take on risk, the returns were higher, it is not an academic point. I have seen the same happen in my personal portfolio.
You may ask – why did I not do it in the model portfolio? To that point, let me state something which I have repeated in the past.
The model portfolio mimics our (Kedar and mine) personal portfolios (except for a few small positions) and that of my family and friends. I will never ever take excessive risk just to look good and gain some boasting points.
A year of misses
This was a very frustrating year too. A few new ideas passed through the initial filter and ended up on the tracking list.
Several of the companies on this list seem to be decent bets for the long run, subject to execution by the management. I prefer to start with a small position and increase the size as the management executes as per the plan. If, however the management slips or the business conditions change for the worse, we will exit the position.
In several of these trail positions, the stock price rose rapidly, in anticipation of the improvement. It’s quite possible that the market is able to foresee the improvement much before I can. In that case, we may end up starting the position late with a lower upside, but with much lesser risk.
We need to be patient in all such cases as you never know when opportunity would knock again.
Change in approach: fail fast and small
There has been a subtle change in my approach in the last 1-2 years which I think should be shared with all of you. I have become more open to trials (starting with small positions) and then killing these ideas quickly if they don’t work out.
It is one thing to maintain a buy list, but emotionally very different to actually commit money (even a small amount) to an idea. Once you do that, you are financially and intellectually (and even emotionally) vested into the position. In such cases, it is important to constantly stress test the idea and exit if the thesis does not pan out.
A failure on a small 1-2% position will not hurt our portfolio over the long run. If, however some of these positions work, we can scale into them and make them much larger.  This is the mental model used by venture capital firms and it makes sense to adopt a similar framework (even if the type of companies we target is different) for our portfolio.
What truly drives the long-term returns
I have shared the changes in the intrinsic value of the portfolio with the price changes in the past and would like to reiterate the following points again
a. Businesses and their intrinsic value tends to be less volatile than stock prices
b. Over the long term, stocks prices tend to follow intrinsic value. However, in the short term (1 year or less), these two numbers don’t have to move in lock step.  
c. If the underlying business is increasing in value, it makes sense to have patience as the returns will eventually follow. As an example, if we had gotten frustrated after the measly returns of the last two years and exited in 2016, then we would have missed the gains of 2017
2017 has been a year when the portfolio price has again caught up and run ahead of the value. As a result, we can expect lower performance for the next few years till we can get the fair value up via a combination of new ideas and increase in value of the current holdings.
In the long run, this back and forth will continue, and I don’t plan to play the game of timing to squeeze a few extra points of performance. We will focus on increasing the intrinsic value of the portfolio as much as possible and let the market give us gains as per its own schedule.
Measuring the risk
I had written about risk management in the last letter, which is reproduced below again
I am not trying to make the highest possible returns in the shortest period of time, but above average returns over time with the lowest possible risk, with risk management taking a higher precedence. Risk Adjusted returns are more important than absolute returns.
This focus on “Risk” has led us to cap our top positions at 5-7% at the time of purchase, keep sectoral bets capped at 20% and maintain a cash level of 12-15% over the lifetime of the model portfolio. A more aggressive stance in the form of more concentrated positions or lower cash would have raised our returns (5% per annum by my rough guess), but increased the risk too. I have no regrets of foregoing these returns. I will always prioritize risk over returns and if it means slightly lower returns, so be it.
If we continue to earn above average returns in the future, the magic of compounding with risk management will allow us to reach our destination. I want the journey to be pleasant and would like to sleep well at night. There is no point in dying rich if you have a terrifying time reaching that point.
I have discussed about risk in a subjective manner in the past, without using any ratios or measures. One quantitative measure is drawdown of the portfolio over various time periods.
On an annual basis, we can see that we have lost less than the market during downturns.
However, we do not have enough data points to make this evaluation statistically significant.
In order to have more data points, I have computed the monthly returns of the portfolio and compared it with the large cap index. For the data purists, a monthly period may not be the right duration or they may quibble about using a different index for reference. My response to that – it is better to be roughly right and directionally correct, instead of trying to get it right to the third decimal point.
For the duration of the model portfolio, the average monthly loss for the index has been around -3% (when the index has dropped during the month). In those periods, our portfolio dropped less than the index 63% of the times and our average drop during these ‘bear’ market months has been around -1.1%
The above statistic is quite noisy as I think monthly returns are usually meaningless, but over a long period this statistic can give an indication of the level of risk in the portfolio. In other words, we have had lower drawdowns. We cannot avoid bear markets, but if we lose lesser than the market, we should do quite well in the long run
I am more focused on reducing the risk, than doing better than the market. I have always felt and continue to feel, that the long-term momentum of the Indian economy and the stock market is such that we will do well over time as long as we can reduce the downside risk and avoid doing something stupid.
In case you are curious on how we have done during bull periods (when monthly returns are positive), the model portfolio has returned 5.3% versus the 4% by the index during the same period.
As you can see, that although we have done better than the market on average during the bull markets, our outperformance against the index has been higher during bear markets.
If you are really hoping to do well with me, hope for a bear market now.
Cash is not a macro call
We currently hold around 28% of the portfolio in cash which may appear to be some sort of a macro call. However, let me assure you, it is nothing of that sort. I have never bothered with economics forecasts around GDP, interest rates or any global or geopolitical situations.
My analysis is always bottoms up with a focus on company level factors.
The reason for the high levels of cash is that the price of several of our ideas have far exceeded my estimate of fair value due to which I feel that the long-term returns are likely to be lower compared to the risk of holding those positions. As a result, I have reduced the position size.
At the same time, the speed with which I can find and understand new ideas has been far slower than the rate at which the market has recognized and re-priced them. This is something I cannot fix unless I can buy some extra IQ points to speed up the pace.
The question I am constantly asking
As the markets have risen, I am constantly asking the following question for each position : Will I continue to hold this position if the stock price drops by 50%? If not, why am I holding it now?
The time for risk management is now, when there is euphoria all around and not when everyone is heading for the exits.
If anyone of you, cannot bear a 20-30% drop in your portfolio, it would make sense to do a mental exercise now – how much should I invest in equities so that even if the equity portfolio dropped by 30%, I will not lose sleep.  No one can answer this question, but yourself and the time to do it would be now.
Why do I constantly harp on risk? Is it because I foresee some market crash?
The emphatic answer for that is no! We are not in the business of forecasting which can be left to media personalities. For me and Kedar, Risk is personal and we want to look at it as an integral part of investing. Our monies and that of our families are invested in the same fashion as the model portfolio. We are not managers who will only benefit from the upside, but have no risk on the downside.
We will have quotational losses from time to time, but do not want to be in a situation where our greed or envy of some else’s performance leads to a permanent loss of capital for us, our families and you.
Bitcoin and popcorn
I have been asked by a few subscribers on what I think about Bitcoin. I have a rough idea of the technology that under pins cryptocurrencies – ‘Blockchain’ and think the technology has a lot of potential in reducing transactional costs, improve asset tracking, develop decentralized networks and several other use cases which we cannot imagine as of today.
That said, I do not have a view of Bitcoin as I do not understand it well. There are several other things I don’t understand well enough to be able to make money such as Shortterm trading, technical analysis, Bio tech, Mongolian companies and so on. However, that does not disturb me as there is enough for me to do within the scope of what I do understand.
If we can invest conservatively and earn an above average return in Indian equities, the end result is likely to be very good. Why should we then get all worked up if something is doing well for others and they are becoming rich as a result?
There will always be someone doing better than us in all sorts of stuff. Someone could be running a restaurant or a tech startup which is doing very well. Does that mean we should follow them as a short cut to riches?
I continue to study the technology out of curiosity and watch the drama on the sidelines. I also have some popcorn (unbuttered to avoid cholesterol issues) on the side to enjoy the show.
The Indian bitcoins
When I look at companies which are priced at lofty multiples, I try to break it down to the first principle of investing – The value of an asset is the sum of its discounted cash flow over its lifetime.
A company with a high multiple, is not necessarily expensive if the company can grow its free cash flow for a long period of time. This means the market ‘assumes’ that such a company has a sustainable competitive advantage and a large opportunity space. Please note use of the word ‘assume’. The market is not some “All knowing” entity which can see the future. It is just the aggregation of the combined wisdom (or madness) of its participants.
The market on average and over time gets the valuations right, but not always.
As I look at several companies in the small cap and midcap space now, I am left wondering if investors really understand the implications behind the valuations. A company selling at a PE of 50 will need to deliver a growth of 25% for 10 years to justify the price. In order to make any returns for an investor buying at this price, the actual growth will have to be much higher and longer.
How many companies are able to deliver such growth rates for so long? Let’s look at some numbers from the past
In the last 10 years, we had around 233 companies in the sub 3000 cr market cap space, deliver a growth of 25% or higher. That’s around 6.2 % of the small/ mid cap universe. As the market cap/ size increases, the percentage of companies which can deliver this kind of performance only shrinks.
How many companies in the above space currently sport a PE of 50 higher? around 22% or roughly 675. So, 3 out of 4 companies in this group of ‘favored’ high PE companies are going to disappoint investors in the coming years in terms of growth
In other words, if you could buy all these ‘favored’ companies (greater than a PE of 50), you have a more than a 50% chance that you will lose money. Why would you take such a bet?
All investors in aggregate are taking this bet assuming individually, that their ‘chosen’ companies will not be the ones to disappoint. Of course, every individual thinks he or she is smarter, more handsome or than the crowd (also called illusory superiority).
The odds are against everyone being right. So, it makes sense to be cautious and do your homework well enough.  Some of these companies could turn out to be the bitcoins of our market: assets with promise but without cash flow. In such cases, the end result is likely to be unpleasant.
A long-term partnership
I repeat this every time in the portfolio review and will do so again
– I do not have timing skills and cannot prevent short term quotation losses in the market
– My approach is to analyze and hold a company for the long term (2-3 years). As a result, my goal is to earn above average returns in the long run and try to avoid losses during the same period
– In spite of my best efforts, I will make stupid decisions and lose money from time to time. The pain felt will be equal or more as I invest my own money in exactly the same fashion
    Me and kedar look at our association with you as a long-term partnership. As a result, whenever someone joins us, we are very explicit in letting the person know that they cannot expect quick wins or a stock tip a week or something on those lines.
    
    We want your association with us to span years, if not decades. In our view, financial management is something which lasts a lifetime and hence, as your advisor, we want you all to focus on the long term. We try to instill this focus via multiple actions from our side such as       
      –   Avoiding a short-term focus on performance such as daily, weekly or monthly scorecards
    Buy companies and hold them for the long term as long their prospects remain above average
        Focus on risk and reducing the downside
A lot of subscribers have stayed with us for the long term and hopefully benefited from that. We will continue to maintain this approach irrespective of the latest trends in the market. If that costs us business, so be it. I would rather have some of you disappointed with the short-term result (and consequently leave), than lose money due to chasing the latest trends in the market and then leave (while cursing us).
If you are interested in our advisory services, please email us on enquiry@rccapitalmanagement.com

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Stocks discussed in this post are for educational purpose only and not recommendations to buy or sell. Please contact a certified investment adviser for your investment decisions. Please read disclaimer towards the end of blog.

Over optimizing the portfolio

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I have often been asked by subscribers – what fixed income option would I recommend for the cash they hold?

My response is that I usually hold my cash in short term FDs or at the most in short term debt funds with high rating and from a well-known fund house.

The main criteria I use in selecting a fund are
           Fund should have a high AUM (> 1000 Crs) for liquidity purpose
           Should be from one of the well know fund house, preferably backed by a bank
           Should have a low expense ratio (as far as possible)
           Should have a 3-5 year operating history or more

You may have noticed that I have made no reference to returns. This is by design as I am looking at high safety of capital and liquidity in this case. The entire point of holding cash or equivalents is that it should be secure and can be accessed at times of market stress without any loss.
Some of you may be unhappy that these options provide ‘only’ 4-5% returns which are quite meager.
Do the math
Let’s do some math. I usually hold somewhere between 10-20% cash in my portfolio. In a crazy bull market such as now, it may go upto 30% level, but on average it hovers around the 15% mark. Let’s assume I get very creative and aggressive with the cash holding and can earn around 10% returns on it. Keep in mind, that the level of risk rises exponentially in case of fixed income instruments. A vehicle giving 10% when the risk free rate is 6%, is not 60% more risky, but carries several orders of magnitude higher risk.
Let’s say, that I still decide to move forward and invest all the cash in such a vehicle. So in effect I have made 4% extra on the 15% cash holding which translates to an extra 0.6% return on the overall portfolio. This additional 0.6% would translate to roughly 7% additional return over a 10 year period.
Is it really worth the risk? Does one really need the extra 0.5- 1% return when rest of the funds are already invested in equities?
There is no free lunch
One of the reasons for holding cash and equivalents is to lower the risk of the portfolio, especially when it is high in the equity market. If you are attempting to get higher returns via fixed income instruments, then you are just changing the label of the investment, but not the level of risk in the portfolio as a whole.
A fixed income label does not change the nature of risk. It is the characteristics of the instrument and its past behavior which defines the same. The worst aspect of investing is to take on higher risks unknowingly and then get shocked when it comes back to bite you.
Please always keep in mind – there are no free lunches in the market. There are absolutely no ‘assured’ high return fixed income options (the term itself would be an oxymoron). If someone tries to sell you one, please run away from the person as fast as you can.
It is not a race
I will never tell anyone of you what to do as you need to make your own decisions. However, let me share what I have been doing for the last 10+ years – I have my funds in safe and relatively secure FDs earning pathetically low rates of returns. This allows me to sleep soundly and have one less thing to worry about. If the equity portion of my portfolio does well, then I don’t need the extra 0.5%. If it does badly, the 0.5% will not save me.

In the end, investing is not a 100 meter dash where the winner gets a gold medal and the fourth place goes home dejected. As a long as I can make a decent return (being 18 %+) over the long run, I would rather exchange a few extra points for much lower risk. The journey would be far more pleasant and I will still reach my financial destination (maybe a year later).

Ps: This does not refer to any investment options such as real estate from a diversification point of view. This is mainly about the desire to optimize the cash portion of the portfolio.

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Stocks discussed in this post are for educational purpose only and not recommendations to buy or sell. Please contact a certified investment adviser for your investment decisions. Please read disclaimer towards the end of blog.

Temperament cannot be bought or taught

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I wrote this note to all of my subscribers. Hope you will find it useful too

A lot of new subscribers have joined us and so I am writing a short note to talk on several topics such as how to build your portfolio, our investment philosophy, ongoing crises etc. For those of you, who have been with me for a long time, this may seem like an un-necessary repetition. However I think it is important for new subscribers to know what they are getting into with me and for the old subscribers to be reminded of it.

Let me state this again – My approach is to buy good quality companies at a reasonable price. There is nothing magical or new about this. Every other value investor professes to do this and I am no different. There is no secret sauceand I make it a point to share my thought process and analysis as much as feasible.

I am not looking for quick flips based on interest rate changes, slightly better monsoon, modi’s reaction to Pakistan or some astrology sign. There could be others who practice this type of investing and it may work for them. I have no interest in doing the same.

I have practiced a value based philosophy for the last 15+ years and it has served me well. I have no plans of changing a sound and logical approach for something else in the future. As long as I continue to do follow it rationally and with discipline, I think the long term results will be good even with occasional spells of under-performance.

Building your portfolio

One the first comments I get from a new subscriber after joining is this – I had a look at the model portfolio and I cannot buy more than 2-3 positions for now. I have a stock response for that – please be patient and give it some time. I have usually seen that most new subscribers are able match the model portfolio over a span of 2-3 years as some stocks drop below the buy level and new positions are added.

How true has this statement been?

If you look at the price action of our 17 odd positions for the last two years – you will find that at least 14 hit the buy point and even went lower for a few days or more. So in effect, it’s quite possible to be 80% matched to the model portfolio for those who joined the subscription in the middle of 2014. I do not have the statistics of how many have done that, but my point is that over a 1-2 year time frame, one will get enough opportunities to buy and build your portfolio. One needs to have the patience to do that and not get swayed by short term events.

Recurring crises

We started the model portfolio in Jan 2011. We have had several actual and imagined events such as Grexit (did not happen), Chinese hard landing (cannot say if that has occurred), Brexit (did happen), oil crash (occurred in 2014) and mismanagement of the Indian economy by the previous government.

These are the big events which come to mind. If you pick up a newspaper, there is a lot more to worry about from day to day. Now imagine if we had remained in cash or got frightened out of our positions due to some real or imaginary risk and compare that to what we have achieved in those years. Does it make sense to take actions based on unknown guesses about the future or concentrate on individual companies and make informed decisions?

Now someone could counter this logic by pointing the risk of 2008/09 collapse when mid and small caps crashed by 60%. What if one of these events had snowballed into a similar crisis?

Let me answer that concern via two arguments

           For starters, one cannot invest based on the low probability, high impact macro events. One can diversify against black swan risks at an individual company level, but not at the country level. To give an extreme and silly example – how will you protect yourself from the risk of an asteroid crashing into a major city in India and causing a major economic crisis? Can one really diversify against such an extreme risk?
           My second argument is that one needs to invest based on the higher probability risks (such as inflation) and insure against the low probability, but extreme ones. In other words, invest to beat inflation or secure your retirement and buy life/ health insurance to hedge the other extreme kind of risks. Finally there are some kind of risks, where one can only hope and pray that they don’t occur and we can do nothing about it.

Having the right temperament

If a 10-15% drop in the portfolio is going to scare you (as it may have in Feb of this year) and cause you to lose sleep, then equities are not for you. I can share my analysis and thought process, but cannot fix your temperament. You will have to bring a steady and calm mind of your own to the table.

If you think you cannot bear to see your portfolio drop by 15% or more from time to time, now is a good time to exit. I don’t think there is anything to be ashamed of in recognizing your risk tolerance and acting according to it. My own family was never into equities as they were never comfortable with the volatility of the stock market. I started investing for them a few years back after they felt confident that I will not blow up their savings (or maybe it was just their love for me …I don’t know)

Looking for trends
Some of you may have noticed that the model portfolio generally does not have a specific theme or view. One will often hear from investors that they have positioned their portfolio to benefit from better monsoon or revival in capex or some such factor.

The benefit of identifying a broad trend and then investing to it has a lot of upside. However I have generally not followed this form of top down, trend based investing as I have found it difficult to identify a truly long term trend and then find a reasonably priced idea to leverage this trend.

One needs to keep in mind that a good monsoon or lower inflation is not a long term trend, but only specific events which play out for a small period of time. A long term trend would be something like demand for housing/ housing loans which leads to a growth of 2-3X of the average GDP growth rate.

We have three positions which seem to play to this theme. However if you read the original thesis of these ideas, I was looking far more closely at the  company specific factors and only vaguely realized that there were some tailwinds for the sector. It is after holding these stocks for 2+ years that we can now make a story of a theme or trend for these ideas, but this was never the case when we started these positions.

Why am I discussing this point now? I think there is a lot of value in identifying such trends early and investing based on it, provided one does not overpay for it. As a result, I have now started looking at some of the current ideas from a trend point of view. We will however not know if the trend was real or a mirage, till a few years pass.
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Stocks discussed in this post are for educational purpose only and not recommendations to buy or sell. Please contact a certified investment adviser for your investment decisions. Please read disclaimer towards the end of blog.

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