I have often written about experiments and failures in the past (see here, hereand here). These posts have usually involved a failed experiment or idea and my conclusions or learnings from it. It has been a case of inductive reasoning (going from the specific case to general principles).
Why 13% and not an actual loss? There are a few reasons behind it
– 13% is roughly the level of returns one can expect from an index and hence I have set that as the threshold
– It allows me to capture value traps as failures. These are stocks where the stock price has stagnated or trailed the index as I waited for valuations to revert to the long term averages.
Surprisingly low hit rate
I have bought/ sold or held around 35 position in the last 6 years. Of these, I have lost money in 7 and consider 16 (or 45%) as failures (<13% category also includes the < 0% cases)
A common myth is that high returns need a 90%+ success rate (if not 100%).
So why does almost everyone believe that one needs a perfect hit rate to achieve good returns? This myth is quite common as one can see from comments in the media, where people are surprised when some well-known investor has a losing position.
– A losing position has a downside of 100% at the most, but a winning position can go up much more than that and cover for several such losses. Let’s say you have a portfolio of three stocks and two go to 0, but the third stock is a 5 bagger. Even in such an extreme example, the investor has increased his portfolio by 50% with equal weightage in all the three positions.
– Let’s take the previous example again and instead of equal weightage, let’s say the two failed position were only 10% of the portfolio, whereas the winning position was 90%. In such a happy scenario, the overall portfolio is up 4.5X.
So the next time, you read an article where some famous investor lost money on a position and chalk it to them being over-rated, keep in mind that the losing position could be a tiny starter position. A lot of investors sometimes start with a small position and then build it as their conviction grows.
The main reason for this exercise was not to generate some statistics and leave it at that. I wanted to dig further and find some common patterns of failure. This is what I found
For example, I invested in a few capital good companies in 2010/11, assuming that the recent slowdown was just a blip. These companies appeared very cheap from historical standards and that motivated me to invest in some of them. I did not realize at the time, that the country was coming off a major capex boom and it usually takes 5+ years for the cycle to turn.
The forever cheap or value traps
These positions are a legacy of my graham style investing. These companies appeared very cheap by all quantitative measures. I would attribute the failure of these positions to the following reasons
–These companies were earning low returns on capital as the management had very poor capital allocation skills. To add insult to the injury, some of these companies refused to increase the dividend payout and just kept piling cash on the balance sheet. In all such cases, the market took a very dim view of the future of the company. Unlike the developed markets, India does not have an activist investor base and hence these companies end up going nowhere.
– I forgot to ask a very basic question: Why will the market re-value this company? What needs to change to cause this revaluation? In most of these cases, the company performance was not going to change substantially for a variety of reasons, and hence there was no reason for the market to change its opinion.
There have been a few positions where my expectation was the company will start growing again or will improve its return on invested capital (or both). In all such cases, the expected turn never happened and the company just kept plodding along with me incurring an opportunity loss during this time.
I have now changed my process to identify the key lead indicators for a company which need to change to confirm that the management is moving in the right direction. For example, is the management introducing new products, expanding distribution or trying something else to revive the topline? If the annual report and other communication continues to be vague on these points, it is best to exit and move on
There is another pattern I have noticed which is not obvious from the table. I have had a higher number of failures after a successful phase. I think this is most likely due to over confidence on my part which led to a higher number of new ideas in the portfolio with much lesser due diligence on each of them. The end result of this sloppy work was a much higher failure rate.
It is not sufficient to just analyze failure. One need to make changes to the process in order to prevent the same error from occurring again
– It is difficult to invest in commodity/ cyclical stocks (atleast for me). I should tread cautiously and have a very strong reasoning behind such an investment (being cheap is not enough).
– Identify the reasons on why a company will be re-valued by the market. Also have a time frame attached to it (endless hope is not a strategy)
– Be your own critic. Confirm if the original thesis holds true? If not, exit. It is better to be proven wrong as quickly as possible.
– Growth is not all important, but absence of it can lead to a value trap.
– The most dangerous phase is right after a successful stretch. Resist the urge to extend your lucky streak by making investments into half-baked ideas. Take a break or vacation!
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Brilliant! Rohit, you continue to churn out posts which carry a lot of wisdom and are a delight to read. It takes a lot of courage to do such an analysis. With online portals, most people would have data to effortlessly do such an analysis. But it's terrifying to stand in front of the mirror and face your mistakes. You have encouraged me to do my own statistical analysis.
Hi Rohit,Excellent post. While reading the post, here are few points that came to my associative brain.1. According to Peter Lynch, six out of ten winners in a portfolio can produce a satisfying result. This translates to a 60 percent success rate of picking a winner. And it's not very far from your success rate. So the only way to achieve superior performance is to let your winners run.2. Majority of the investors wouldn't be able to hold on to their winners. One has to blame evolution for that and I wrote about the reasons why we sell winners early and hold on to losers – https://goo.gl/1Ktp5j. If I become an investment advisor then I would tell 99 percent of the investors to index. Achieving 13 percent from an index is a lot as long term gains are not taxed in India.3. Capital Returns [http://goo.gl/zm6Uei] is an excellent book which talks about business cycles and capex booms.Regards,Jana
Where do you keep cash until you see a buy opportunity? In bank savings, deposits or liquid funds?
Good read…hope we can also achive the same success rate
Hi Rohit, the book The Art of Execution by Lee Freeman-Shor has an excellent analysis of this topic as well. Well worth a read.Regards,Vivek
Hi Rohit,Thank you for the insights.I wanted to perform the same analysis on my portfolio. Could you please let me know how did you calculate the CAGR to stocks that you held for lesser than 5 years. how did you annualise the returns?
Hi Rohit,It is amazing how different world's have synergies. I am a trend follower and what you wrote in your excellent blog is essentially the core lesson of trend following. In-fact some of best trend following billionaires have a hit rate of 28%. It boils down to position sizing (Van tharp) and cuting your losses and riding your winners. On a lighter note, please find attached a Song by my Guru (like WB for u may b)http://www.seykota.com/tribe/essentials/index.htmCheers!!Manish Dhawan.@mysticwealth11
You talked about cyclicals. I see cyclicals can pay big and quick. Examples I saw was Sugar and Airlines. SpiceJet came and gone but no profit to me. Made some in sugars. So, I learnt that nothing is fixed in stock market and those which never paid can pay. But as you noted that knowing the cycle can be good as long term player. I don't know about that but decided to play the momentum if it pass by in cyclicals. Thanks for sharing.
One hell of a topic Rohit, so very important.This is the first time (at least in my experience) that somebody talked about this aspect and conclusions as a result.I don't know about 90-100% hit rate but I did expect 70-80% for an Ace investor..:-)Loved when you said “although I had some vague idea of what to expect, the actual results were still surprising.” :-)This one needs to be framed and put on the wall..one of those “Best Memos from Rohit Chauhan”.Thanks,Vikas
Hi Rohit,excellent post and good analysis. This proves that what actually matters is not how many times you are right or wrong but how much money you make when you are right and how much money you lose when you are wrong.Good one. Keep them coming.
A fantastic post Rohit. Am sharing it with my students at MDI.
thanks sanjayregardsrohit